> But nationalizing the factories has, historically, generally led to nasty (the opposite of what your conscious advocates would call desirable) outcomes. And y

> But nationalizing the factories has, historically, generally led to nasty (the opposite of what your conscious advocates would call desirable) outcomes. And you are saying that a 100% automated factory should be effectively nationalized. Most of the companies that were nationalized in 1945 in France are now world class companies. Renault, EDF, France Telecom (now Orange), SNCF, AFP... And yes, I say that automated factories profits should be nationalized. What is the alternative? People owning means of production that are impossible to compete against as they are so established and tuned to have marginal costs of production of zero.