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This, so much. Plus, call me clumsy, but the number of times I have accidentally triggered one of the magic bar buttons is beyond count. In everyday use, it oft

by pudo 9y ago

This, so much. Plus, call me clumsy, but the number of times I have accidentally triggered one of the magic bar buttons is beyond count. In everyday use, it often feels like my computer just randomly mutes system audio or locks the display (I had to get rid of the Siri button, it's incredibly annoying). All of that besides the fact that you cannot really use VIM any more because the ESC button is gone...

Gaelan 9y ago
As a vim user, I don't find the software escape to be bad—it's always in the same spot, even if it's not a physical key. Also, in vim, you can use ctrl-[ instead of escape (which is arguably better anyway).
- kagamine 9y ago
  Ctrl + [ won't work on any non-English keyboard as the square parenthesis are hidden behind a modifier already. This is a constant problem with software, and now hardware, manufacturers that they assume everyone in the whole wide world is using a US keyboard. Yes, you can remap and fiddle to make it work but that isn't the point, the point is to pay the same price, sometimes more than Americans and get the same value and experience. Instead we get an inferior experience that requires hacks. Not good at all.
  - tasuki 9y ago
    Interesting that you use your native keyboard for programming. I'm Czech, all the Czech programmers I know use English layout for programming.
    - kagamine 9y ago
      Here in Norway I have never once seen a non-Scandinavian layout keyboard. Not once. As I'm from the UK I have considered getting a UK or US keyboard for coding at home, but at work it isn't an option, mostly because we all have standard equipment and because ø,æ & å.
      - hereonbusiness 9y ago
        The actual keyboard language is irrelevant since the layout is defined in software. You can just change the layout to US or UK and learn to touch type it. The US layout is lot nicer if you write a lot of code in my opinion. You can also set up multiple layouts and switch via OS shortcut when needed.
isatty 9y ago
remap to caps lock or use ctrl[ which is better than moving your hand off the home row of keys to hit escape. I haven't had any issues pressing the touch bar icons accidentally, not even once. Personal anecdote of course.
johansch 9y ago
https://github.com/LumingYin/TouchBarDisabler https://github.com/LumingYin/TouchBarDisabler
jorisw 9y ago
This is the reason I bought the entry model without Touch Bar and maxed it out as a custom build. I'm very happy with it. Except yes the arrow keys suck.
davrosthedalek 9y ago
The most annoying thing about Siri is that another key press does not close that window again. It's the first thin I removed from the touch bar. The number of times I actually wanted to change the terminal colors or open a man page with the touchbar is exactly zero. I press them often enough by accident that I am annoyed. The touchbar is a solution looking for a problem. Can't find one. If you want reconfigurable keys, why not put a small display in each of them? That would at least be a possible benefit without these fundamental drawbacks.
- maxxxxx 9y ago
  "Can't find one. If you want reconfigurable keys, why not put a small display in each of them?" Good idea. The whole trend toward touch interfaces is really annoying. Something tactile is much better if you see it a lot. Same in cars. Operating a car heater through touch is much more difficult and requires more attention than old fashioned dials.
audunw 9y ago
> All of that besides the fact that you cannot really use VIM any more because the ESC button is gone... What serious VIM user has not remapped ESC? One of the reasons I don't like to use VIM, is that the ESC key is so far away, and not suitable for ergonomic typing. If I wasn't already used to Emacs/Sublime and had to use VIM, I would have remapped it immediately. I probably still should, but I use it rarely enough that I don't bother. Mac OS even has a built-in option for remapping it to caps lock. Apple is very conservative about adding options in System Preferences, so I think this is something a lot of programmers do.
sf_rob 9y ago
My gripe is with play/pause. I like having the key but don't want iTunes to be open on an accidental press.

by pudo 9y ago

Gaelan 9y ago

As a vim user, I don't find the software escape to be bad—it's always in the same spot, even if it's not a physical key. Also, in vim, you can use ctrl-[ instead of escape (which is arguably better anyway).

kagamine 9y ago
Ctrl + [ won't work on any non-English keyboard as the square parenthesis are hidden behind a modifier already. This is a constant problem with software, and now hardware, manufacturers that they assume everyone in the whole wide world is using a US keyboard. Yes, you can remap and fiddle to make it work but that isn't the point, the point is to pay the same price, sometimes more than Americans and get the same value and experience. Instead we get an inferior experience that requires hacks. Not good at all.
- tasuki 9y ago
  Interesting that you use your native keyboard for programming. I'm Czech, all the Czech programmers I know use English layout for programming.
  - kagamine 9y ago
    Here in Norway I have never once seen a non-Scandinavian layout keyboard. Not once. As I'm from the UK I have considered getting a UK or US keyboard for coding at home, but at work it isn't an option, mostly because we all have standard equipment and because ø,æ & å.
    - hereonbusiness 9y ago
      The actual keyboard language is irrelevant since the layout is defined in software. You can just change the layout to US or UK and learn to touch type it. The US layout is lot nicer if you write a lot of code in my opinion. You can also set up multiple layouts and switch via OS shortcut when needed.

isatty 9y ago

remap to caps lock or use ctrl[ which is better than moving your hand off the home row of keys to hit escape. I haven't had any issues pressing the touch bar icons accidentally, not even once. Personal anecdote of course.

johansch 9y ago

https://github.com/LumingYin/TouchBarDisabler https://github.com/LumingYin/TouchBarDisabler

jorisw 9y ago

This is the reason I bought the entry model without Touch Bar and maxed it out as a custom build. I'm very happy with it. Except yes the arrow keys suck.

davrosthedalek 9y ago

The most annoying thing about Siri is that another key press does not close that window again. It's the first thin I removed from the touch bar. The number of times I actually wanted to change the terminal colors or open a man page with the touchbar is exactly zero. I press them often enough by accident that I am annoyed. The touchbar is a solution looking for a problem. Can't find one. If you want reconfigurable keys, why not put a small display in each of them? That would at least be a possible benefit without these fundamental drawbacks.

maxxxxx 9y ago
"Can't find one. If you want reconfigurable keys, why not put a small display in each of them?" Good idea. The whole trend toward touch interfaces is really annoying. Something tactile is much better if you see it a lot. Same in cars. Operating a car heater through touch is much more difficult and requires more attention than old fashioned dials.

audunw 9y ago

> All of that besides the fact that you cannot really use VIM any more because the ESC button is gone... What serious VIM user has not remapped ESC? One of the reasons I don't like to use VIM, is that the ESC key is so far away, and not suitable for ergonomic typing. If I wasn't already used to Emacs/Sublime and had to use VIM, I would have remapped it immediately. I probably still should, but I use it rarely enough that I don't bother. Mac OS even has a built-in option for remapping it to caps lock. Apple is very conservative about adding options in System Preferences, so I think this is something a lot of programmers do.

sf_rob 9y ago

My gripe is with play/pause. I like having the key but don't want iTunes to be open on an accidental press.