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The reason I posted this to HN is that it suggests two big things. First, that Google is using the threat of search indexing to steal content for their own sit

The reason I posted this to HN is that it suggests two big things. First, that Google is using the threat of search indexing to steal content for their own sites beyond what would seem fair use. Second, that Google is preinstalling its own apps with Android which seems eerily similar to what MS did with Windows and IE.

cristinacordova 16y ago
Apple pre-installs their own apps with iOS, so I don't find what Google is doing odd/surprising. Also, I'm actually thankful Google installs maps/navigation on Android.
- blueben 16y ago
  And to Google's credit, they don't block competitive apps from their market. Go ahead and make your own map software for sale on the market; Google will happily list it.
  - theBobMcCormick 16y ago
    And in fact, there are several competing map and navigation apps in the Android market (like Copilot for example).
blueben 16y ago
Now wait a second; Google is stealing Yelp's content? Since when does Yelp "own" my reviews? When Yelp begins paying for the content others are generating for them then we can consider the moral outrage of this "theft".
- apower 16y ago
  Have you reviewed their Terms of Usage before you put in your reviews?
  - blueben 16y ago
    Yes. Have you? Section 5, Part C. Ownership As between you and Yelp, you own Your Content. We own the Yelp Content, including but not limited to visual interfaces, interactive features, graphics, design, compilation, computer code, products, software, aggregate user review ratings, and all other elements and components of the Service excluding Your Content, User Content and Third Party Content. We also own the copyrights, trademarks, service marks, trade names, and other intellectual and proprietary rights throughout the world (the "IP Rights") associated with the Yelp Content and the Service, which are protected by copyright, trade dress, patent, trademark laws and all other applicable intellectual and proprietary rights and laws. As such, you may not modify, reproduce, distribute, create derivative works or adaptations of, publicly display or in any way exploit any of the Yelp Content in whole or in part except as expressly authorized by us. Except as expressly and unambiguously provided herein, we do not grant you any express or implied rights, and all rights in and to the Service and the Yelp Content are retained by us. Your Content is defined in Section 1, Part B. Content. "Your Content" means Content that you submit or transmit to, through, or in connection with the Service, such as ratings, reviews, compliments, invitations, check-ins, messages, and information that you publicly display or displayed in your account profile.
    - weaksauce 16y ago
      So based on that, and I am not a lawyer, google is in the clear if they just scrape the user content and republish it so long as they are able to calculate the average user rating on their own. They would do this anyway because they are pulling information from many different sources and aggregating the score there.
theBobMcCormick 16y ago
Or eerily similar to iTunes and OSX? or Windows and Media Player? Every OS comes with some pre-installed apps. By itself, that doesn't prove any kind of foul play. Also, the TC article is wildly inaccurate in a number of ways. Google places isn't new, but it's integration as part of Maps is. Previously it was a seperate app called Places Directory, that's been on the Android Market for at least a year. And Places Directory has had Yelp reviews for quite some time, I know because I've used Places Directory a lot.

cristinacordova 16y ago

Apple pre-installs their own apps with iOS, so I don't find what Google is doing odd/surprising. Also, I'm actually thankful Google installs maps/navigation on Android.

blueben 16y ago
And to Google's credit, they don't block competitive apps from their market. Go ahead and make your own map software for sale on the market; Google will happily list it.
- theBobMcCormick 16y ago
  And in fact, there are several competing map and navigation apps in the Android market (like Copilot for example).

blueben 16y ago

Now wait a second; Google is stealing Yelp's content? Since when does Yelp "own" my reviews? When Yelp begins paying for the content others are generating for them then we can consider the moral outrage of this "theft".

apower 16y ago
Have you reviewed their Terms of Usage before you put in your reviews?
- blueben 16y ago
  Yes. Have you? Section 5, Part C. Ownership As between you and Yelp, you own Your Content. We own the Yelp Content, including but not limited to visual interfaces, interactive features, graphics, design, compilation, computer code, products, software, aggregate user review ratings, and all other elements and components of the Service excluding Your Content, User Content and Third Party Content. We also own the copyrights, trademarks, service marks, trade names, and other intellectual and proprietary rights throughout the world (the "IP Rights") associated with the Yelp Content and the Service, which are protected by copyright, trade dress, patent, trademark laws and all other applicable intellectual and proprietary rights and laws. As such, you may not modify, reproduce, distribute, create derivative works or adaptations of, publicly display or in any way exploit any of the Yelp Content in whole or in part except as expressly authorized by us. Except as expressly and unambiguously provided herein, we do not grant you any express or implied rights, and all rights in and to the Service and the Yelp Content are retained by us. Your Content is defined in Section 1, Part B. Content. "Your Content" means Content that you submit or transmit to, through, or in connection with the Service, such as ratings, reviews, compliments, invitations, check-ins, messages, and information that you publicly display or displayed in your account profile.
  - weaksauce 16y ago
    So based on that, and I am not a lawyer, google is in the clear if they just scrape the user content and republish it so long as they are able to calculate the average user rating on their own. They would do this anyway because they are pulling information from many different sources and aggregating the score there.

theBobMcCormick 16y ago

Or eerily similar to iTunes and OSX? or Windows and Media Player? Every OS comes with some pre-installed apps. By itself, that doesn't prove any kind of foul play. Also, the TC article is wildly inaccurate in a number of ways. Google places isn't new, but it's integration as part of Maps is. Previously it was a seperate app called Places Directory, that's been on the Android Market for at least a year. And Places Directory has had Yelp reviews for quite some time, I know because I've used Places Directory a lot.