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This seems not similar at all.

by tziki 9y ago

ehsankia 9y ago
Yep, in those cases, it was almost always Google having to fight against local government and monopolies playing dirty. In this case, all 3 levels of government (city, province and country) are for this project. That's a huge difference.
- rayiner 9y ago
  Google got unprecedented concessions in Fiber markets: https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2012/09/how-kansas-city-taxpayers-support-google-fiber https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2012/09/how-kansas-city-... (“Google received stunning regulatory concessions and incentives from local governments, including free access to virtually everything the city owns or controls: rights of way, central office space, power, interconnections with anchor institutions, marketing and direct mail, and office space for Google employees. City officials also expedited the permitting process and assigned staff specifically to help Google. One county even offered to allow Google to hang its wires on parts of utility poles—for free—that are usually off-limits to communications companies.”).
  - kevin_thibedeau 9y ago
    Unlike how Verizon pocketed the Universal Service Fund subsidies and then only deployed FIOS for rich white people?
    - rayiner 9y ago
      USF has nothing to do with FIOS. At the time FIOS was built out, you couldn’t even get USF funding for broadband.
  - ocdtrekkie 9y ago
    Indeed, contrary to your parent's claims, Google had a red carpet rolled out for them everywhere they went with Fiber. Including governments trying to pass favorable laws granting them access to competitors' equipment. Their entire business model was based on using dark fiber governments gave them for free and getting laws passed to save them most of the expenses other ISPs have to pay. (Google refuses to allow itself to be classified as a telecom so it isn't regulated like AT&T and Comcast are.)
- DKnoll 9y ago
  The three levels of government in Canada are Municipal, Provincial and Federal. How exactly do you expect the Canadian government to 'fight dirty' against Google? What constitutes 'fighting dirty' against one of the most powerful corporations on the planet?
  - sangnoir 9y ago
    The (lack of an) Oxford comma strikes again! My reading of parent is "...it was almost always Google having to fight against local government, and monopolies playing dirty" - the local government was fighting, but only the monopolies were playing dirty (e.g. by lobbying States to make laws that prevent local governments from "interfering" with the said monopolies by cozying up to Google or providing municipal internet infrastructure)
- nnleaf 9y ago
  As someone that was born and raised in Toronto, big city projects either take forever to finish, or get scrapped midway through. It sounds promising that Google's involved, but I wouldn't get my hopes up.

This seems not similar at all.

by tziki 9y ago

This seems not similar at all.

Yep, in those cases, it was almost always Google having to fight against local government and monopolies playing dirty. In this case, all 3 levels of government (city, province and country) are for this project. That's a huge difference.

rayiner 9y ago
Google got unprecedented concessions in Fiber markets: https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2012/09/how-kansas-city-taxpayers-support-google-fiber https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2012/09/how-kansas-city-... (“Google received stunning regulatory concessions and incentives from local governments, including free access to virtually everything the city owns or controls: rights of way, central office space, power, interconnections with anchor institutions, marketing and direct mail, and office space for Google employees. City officials also expedited the permitting process and assigned staff specifically to help Google. One county even offered to allow Google to hang its wires on parts of utility poles—for free—that are usually off-limits to communications companies.”).
- kevin_thibedeau 9y ago
  Unlike how Verizon pocketed the Universal Service Fund subsidies and then only deployed FIOS for rich white people?
  - rayiner 9y ago
    USF has nothing to do with FIOS. At the time FIOS was built out, you couldn’t even get USF funding for broadband.
- ocdtrekkie 9y ago
  Indeed, contrary to your parent's claims, Google had a red carpet rolled out for them everywhere they went with Fiber. Including governments trying to pass favorable laws granting them access to competitors' equipment. Their entire business model was based on using dark fiber governments gave them for free and getting laws passed to save them most of the expenses other ISPs have to pay. (Google refuses to allow itself to be classified as a telecom so it isn't regulated like AT&T and Comcast are.)
DKnoll 9y ago
The three levels of government in Canada are Municipal, Provincial and Federal. How exactly do you expect the Canadian government to 'fight dirty' against Google? What constitutes 'fighting dirty' against one of the most powerful corporations on the planet?
- sangnoir 9y ago
  The (lack of an) Oxford comma strikes again! My reading of parent is "...it was almost always Google having to fight against local government, and monopolies playing dirty" - the local government was fighting, but only the monopolies were playing dirty (e.g. by lobbying States to make laws that prevent local governments from "interfering" with the said monopolies by cozying up to Google or providing municipal internet infrastructure)
nnleaf 9y ago
As someone that was born and raised in Toronto, big city projects either take forever to finish, or get scrapped midway through. It sounds promising that Google's involved, but I wouldn't get my hopes up.