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Sounds like Airbus is getting parts of Bombardier for cheap and Bombardier is getting the clout to fight Boeing and the US's patently obvious, possibly illegal,

Sounds like Airbus is getting parts of Bombardier for cheap and Bombardier is getting the clout to fight Boeing and the US's patently obvious, possibly illegal, trade protectionism. And this should further endear Canada to the EU over the US, and probably make the Brits also happier about the EU (The British jobs were most at risk). I am no expert but that's what it looks like to me. Nice move if so.

plandis 9y ago
What? Boeing’s claim is that Canada illegally subsidized Bombardier which seems to be true. But yes it’s the US’s fault that happened
- athenot 9y ago
  We're just more clever at subsidizing Boeing in ways that don't look like a subsidy. For example, the Air Force bid that was about to be won by Airbus got re-spec'd in order to match the requirements with what Boeing happened to provide (number of engines, iirc).
  - noir_lord 9y ago
    250m a copy, it'll never fly, I'll take 300. TBH it's not that clever, it's just that the US can use it's out-sized economic might to force smaller countries to accept it.
  - vanattab 9y ago
    I believe athenot is referring to the KC-X program in which Airbus definitely got screwed. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KC-X https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KC-X
- valuearb 9y ago
  Boeing doesn’t even sell anything in Bombardiers class, they aren’t competitors. And as a US taxpayer i’m all in favor of foreign governments subsidizing my travel with cheaper commuter jets.
  - knz 9y ago
    > And as a US taxpayer i’m all in favor of foreign governments subsidizing my travel with cheaper commuter jets. The C series are also very quiet (marketed at 4x smaller footprint/up to 20db reduction). Airports are/were quite excited about what these new aircraft mean for residential noise mitigation (billions across the US).
- mvc 9y ago
  Oh please. If you think Boeing don't get subsidies from the US government I have some land to sell you in Florida. https://www.upi.com/Boeing-receives-983M-contract-for-aircraft-engineering/6091485955018/ https://www.upi.com/Boeing-receives-983M-contract-for-aircra...
simlevesque 9y ago
> And this should further endear Canada to the EU over the US, That's a great thing. As canadians, we are learning that we can't count on the US to act in good faith so this is a nice thing. We should strive to be less and less dependant on our neighbor.
strictnein 9y ago
This was Bombardier's attempt to get into the game with the big boys, and it's mostly failed. This isn't a good thing for them.
- hodder 9y ago
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  - notfromhere 9y ago
    Markets see Bombardier shedding a bad investment. Bombardier sees a big strategic failure
valuearb 9y ago
Except that Bombardier wouldn’t be giving up a big chunk of the company so cheaply if not for this ridiculous trade ruling.

plandis 9y ago

What? Boeing’s claim is that Canada illegally subsidized Bombardier which seems to be true. But yes it’s the US’s fault that happened

athenot 9y ago
We're just more clever at subsidizing Boeing in ways that don't look like a subsidy. For example, the Air Force bid that was about to be won by Airbus got re-spec'd in order to match the requirements with what Boeing happened to provide (number of engines, iirc).
- noir_lord 9y ago
  250m a copy, it'll never fly, I'll take 300. TBH it's not that clever, it's just that the US can use it's out-sized economic might to force smaller countries to accept it.
- vanattab 9y ago
  I believe athenot is referring to the KC-X program in which Airbus definitely got screwed. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KC-X https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KC-X
valuearb 9y ago
Boeing doesn’t even sell anything in Bombardiers class, they aren’t competitors. And as a US taxpayer i’m all in favor of foreign governments subsidizing my travel with cheaper commuter jets.
- knz 9y ago
  > And as a US taxpayer i’m all in favor of foreign governments subsidizing my travel with cheaper commuter jets. The C series are also very quiet (marketed at 4x smaller footprint/up to 20db reduction). Airports are/were quite excited about what these new aircraft mean for residential noise mitigation (billions across the US).
mvc 9y ago
Oh please. If you think Boeing don't get subsidies from the US government I have some land to sell you in Florida. https://www.upi.com/Boeing-receives-983M-contract-for-aircraft-engineering/6091485955018/ https://www.upi.com/Boeing-receives-983M-contract-for-aircra...

simlevesque 9y ago

> And this should further endear Canada to the EU over the US, That's a great thing. As canadians, we are learning that we can't count on the US to act in good faith so this is a nice thing. We should strive to be less and less dependant on our neighbor.

strictnein 9y ago

This was Bombardier's attempt to get into the game with the big boys, and it's mostly failed. This isn't a good thing for them.

hodder 9y ago
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- notfromhere 9y ago
  Markets see Bombardier shedding a bad investment. Bombardier sees a big strategic failure

valuearb 9y ago

Except that Bombardier wouldn’t be giving up a big chunk of the company so cheaply if not for this ridiculous trade ruling.