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Trump campaigned on far more that illegal immigrants. Muslims and LGBT people were also targets of his.

jrs95 9y ago
But deporting Muslims? He definitely didn't campaign on that. And that he targeted LGBT people is a real stretch. Even Obama was more anti-LGBT in 2008.
- s73ver_ 9y ago
  Yes. Remember when he was saying he was going to ban all Muslims? And remember the Muslim ban that prevented lawful residents from coming back into the country? You may not want to believe it, but it is true. Lots of groups of marginalized people felt targeted by Trump and his supporters. And Trump has not done a thing to assuage those fears.
  - jrs95 9y ago
    It wasn't "ban all Muslims" it was "ban all Muslims from entering", which is a pretty important distinction & not anywhere near as severe as deportation. The travel ban was really stupid in my opinion -- but I don't dislike it is as much as I dislike the notion that having any policy about who can or can't come here is immoral.
    - s73ver_ 9y ago
      When that policy is based merely on one's religion, and not on anything that matters, then yes, it is immoral.
      - jrs95 9y ago
        If it "didn't matter" then there wouldn't be such a massive difference in the opinions of Muslims and non-Muslims about secular topics. Islam in particular is also more like religious and political ideology intertwined, and the political aspect of it does not mix well with Western culture or values. I'm not just making this up either, there are a variety of polls from allegedly "moderate" Muslim countries as well as within European countries that show disturbingly high levels of support for terrorism, honor killings, oppression of women, killing of apostates, etc.
        dang 9y ago
        Please keep flamewar topics off HN, as the guidelines ask: https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html. Religious flamewar is particularly unwelcome here.

But deporting Muslims? He definitely didn't campaign on that. And that he targeted LGBT people is a real stretch. Even Obama was more anti-LGBT in 2008.

s73ver_ 9y ago
Yes. Remember when he was saying he was going to ban all Muslims? And remember the Muslim ban that prevented lawful residents from coming back into the country? You may not want to believe it, but it is true. Lots of groups of marginalized people felt targeted by Trump and his supporters. And Trump has not done a thing to assuage those fears.
- jrs95 9y ago
  It wasn't "ban all Muslims" it was "ban all Muslims from entering", which is a pretty important distinction & not anywhere near as severe as deportation. The travel ban was really stupid in my opinion -- but I don't dislike it is as much as I dislike the notion that having any policy about who can or can't come here is immoral.
  - s73ver_ 9y ago
    When that policy is based merely on one's religion, and not on anything that matters, then yes, it is immoral.
    - jrs95 9y ago
      If it "didn't matter" then there wouldn't be such a massive difference in the opinions of Muslims and non-Muslims about secular topics. Islam in particular is also more like religious and political ideology intertwined, and the political aspect of it does not mix well with Western culture or values. I'm not just making this up either, there are a variety of polls from allegedly "moderate" Muslim countries as well as within European countries that show disturbingly high levels of support for terrorism, honor killings, oppression of women, killing of apostates, etc.
      - dang 9y ago
        Please keep flamewar topics off HN, as the guidelines ask: https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html. Religious flamewar is particularly unwelcome here.