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Except, that's the point - people are overly emotional. All this waking up the next morning and the world is different is such a stretch. Nothing has changed.

untog 9y ago
I'm going to guess you aren't in the US on a visa. "Nothing has changed" is such an absurdly wrong way of looking at the issue. Say you're stood in the street alone. That's normal. Now there's a man stood in front of you with a knife, and he's looking at you threateningly. But he hasn't stabbed you! Nothing has changed. Your body is still unpunctured, so why are you worrying? Throughout his campaign, Trump made overt threats to immigrants and the lives they live in the US. The fact that your entire future becomes incredibly uncertain within the space of 24 hours is absolutely something to get emotional about. To pretend otherwise is silly. As is the idea that turning up to the office without being overtly emotional would somehow mean you're absolutely fine. That stress is going to come out one way or another, personally I think that expressing it (yes, including crying!) is a lot better than the alternatives.
- katastic 9y ago
  >immigrants You missed the "::cough:: illegal ::cough::" Otherwise, please cite a video/audio source of him actually saying he wants to kick out all the legal immigrants.
  - untog 9y ago
    “Donald J. Trump is calling for a total and complete shutdown of Muslims entering the United States until our country's representatives can figure out what the hell is going on.” https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2015/12/07/donald-trump-calls-for-total-and-complete-shutdown-of-muslims-entering-the-united-states/?utm_term=.cc63319d5de0 https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2015/12... Trump's threats were far from contained to illegal immigrants.
    - baumy 9y ago
      > Otherwise, please cite a video/audio source of him actually saying he wants to kick out all the legal immigrants. I am no Trump fan, but you have failed to do this. Temporarily (or indefinitely) curbing a specific subset of legal immigration is not equivalent to deporting people already in the country.
      - untog 9y ago
        The OP edited their post to add that line after I replied, so I wasn't actually responding to it. > Temporarily (or indefinitely) curbing a specific subset of legal immigration is not equivalent to deporting people already in the country. Is it really that different? If a legally immigrated muslim left the country they would not be allowed back in again. Call me old fashioned, but I feel like a legal immigrant should be allowed to travel.
- miketery 9y ago
  Actually I am in the US, on a visa - albeit I'm Canadian and have a good country to fall back on. Regardless of the president I feel vulnerable on a visa. I empathize with those on DACA or other immigrant situations; however on average I would argue reporting of the issues, the emotions, and reactions are over the top. The news cycle every two weeks is - "immigrants getting kicked out, DACA is over" - three days later "president goes back on his word w/ EO" or "congress not in sync with president; won't change legislation." (not literally, but you get the point).
steve_musk 9y ago
Maybe for you, but for a large portion of America it was definitely like waking up in a new world. Its easy to call people overly emotional when you aren't living in a world where the President of the United States was elected by stoking the hate and fear that a large portion of your fellow citizens have against your race/religion/culture/etc...
- weberc2 9y ago
  I'll be the first to celebrate when Trump leaves office, but all of this "he ran on hate/etc" is at best dramatically overstated and at worst completely fraudulent. There's lots of valid criticism for Trump and his supporters; no need to make things up.
  - steve_musk 9y ago
    No one is making anything up. No, Trump does not come out and say that he hates Muslims, Blacks, etc. But you are either not paying attention or purposefully remaining ignorant if you believe that Trump does not exploit the racism and hate that a large portion of Americans have.
    - weberc2 9y ago
      Maybe I haven't been paying attention. I hear a lot of talk about Trump and supporters being white supremacists, but when I ask his accusers, they aren't able to articulate very significant evidence at all. Most such conversations end with implications that I'm a racist for lacking the astute progressive hearing required to perceive Trump's dog whistles. The irony that dog whistles are (by definition) intended to be perceptible only to actual racists is apparently lost on many progressives.
- miketery 9y ago
  I live in the US. This is my point the sentiment is over blown.
jasonlotito 9y ago
> Nothing has changed. Except is has, and continues to change. These changes are affect real people, people in my family, in profoundly negative ways. That you choose to ignore others doesn't mean nothing has changed. Only that you are ignorant of what is happening.

untog 9y ago

I'm going to guess you aren't in the US on a visa. "Nothing has changed" is such an absurdly wrong way of looking at the issue. Say you're stood in the street alone. That's normal. Now there's a man stood in front of you with a knife, and he's looking at you threateningly. But he hasn't stabbed you! Nothing has changed. Your body is still unpunctured, so why are you worrying? Throughout his campaign, Trump made overt threats to immigrants and the lives they live in the US. The fact that your entire future becomes incredibly uncertain within the space of 24 hours is absolutely something to get emotional about. To pretend otherwise is silly. As is the idea that turning up to the office without being overtly emotional would somehow mean you're absolutely fine. That stress is going to come out one way or another, personally I think that expressing it (yes, including crying!) is a lot better than the alternatives.

katastic 9y ago
>immigrants You missed the "::cough:: illegal ::cough::" Otherwise, please cite a video/audio source of him actually saying he wants to kick out all the legal immigrants.
- untog 9y ago
  “Donald J. Trump is calling for a total and complete shutdown of Muslims entering the United States until our country's representatives can figure out what the hell is going on.” https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2015/12/07/donald-trump-calls-for-total-and-complete-shutdown-of-muslims-entering-the-united-states/?utm_term=.cc63319d5de0 https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2015/12... Trump's threats were far from contained to illegal immigrants.
  - baumy 9y ago
    > Otherwise, please cite a video/audio source of him actually saying he wants to kick out all the legal immigrants. I am no Trump fan, but you have failed to do this. Temporarily (or indefinitely) curbing a specific subset of legal immigration is not equivalent to deporting people already in the country.
    - untog 9y ago
      The OP edited their post to add that line after I replied, so I wasn't actually responding to it. > Temporarily (or indefinitely) curbing a specific subset of legal immigration is not equivalent to deporting people already in the country. Is it really that different? If a legally immigrated muslim left the country they would not be allowed back in again. Call me old fashioned, but I feel like a legal immigrant should be allowed to travel.
miketery 9y ago
Actually I am in the US, on a visa - albeit I'm Canadian and have a good country to fall back on. Regardless of the president I feel vulnerable on a visa. I empathize with those on DACA or other immigrant situations; however on average I would argue reporting of the issues, the emotions, and reactions are over the top. The news cycle every two weeks is - "immigrants getting kicked out, DACA is over" - three days later "president goes back on his word w/ EO" or "congress not in sync with president; won't change legislation." (not literally, but you get the point).

steve_musk 9y ago

Maybe for you, but for a large portion of America it was definitely like waking up in a new world. Its easy to call people overly emotional when you aren't living in a world where the President of the United States was elected by stoking the hate and fear that a large portion of your fellow citizens have against your race/religion/culture/etc...

weberc2 9y ago
I'll be the first to celebrate when Trump leaves office, but all of this "he ran on hate/etc" is at best dramatically overstated and at worst completely fraudulent. There's lots of valid criticism for Trump and his supporters; no need to make things up.
- steve_musk 9y ago
  No one is making anything up. No, Trump does not come out and say that he hates Muslims, Blacks, etc. But you are either not paying attention or purposefully remaining ignorant if you believe that Trump does not exploit the racism and hate that a large portion of Americans have.
  - weberc2 9y ago
    Maybe I haven't been paying attention. I hear a lot of talk about Trump and supporters being white supremacists, but when I ask his accusers, they aren't able to articulate very significant evidence at all. Most such conversations end with implications that I'm a racist for lacking the astute progressive hearing required to perceive Trump's dog whistles. The irony that dog whistles are (by definition) intended to be perceptible only to actual racists is apparently lost on many progressives.
miketery 9y ago
I live in the US. This is my point the sentiment is over blown.

jasonlotito 9y ago

> Nothing has changed. Except is has, and continues to change. These changes are affect real people, people in my family, in profoundly negative ways. That you choose to ignore others doesn't mean nothing has changed. Only that you are ignorant of what is happening.