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There's a HUGE difference between "a president you don't like" and "a president who's entire platform was removing people like you from the country".
by s73ver_ 9y ago
There's a HUGE difference between "a president you don't like" and "a president who's entire platform was removing people like you from the country".
- jrs95 9y agoI didn't realize Google employed illegal immigrants.
- throwawaymaroon 9y agoIt's funny watching you lot struggle with the realization that your unpopularity is deserved.
- SolaceQuantum 9y agoAnd yet the travel ban blocked several google employees, so it’s clearly not just illegal immigrants...
- s73ver_ 9y agoTrump campaigned on far more that illegal immigrants. Muslims and LGBT people were also targets of his.
- jrs95 9y agoBut deporting Muslims? He definitely didn't campaign on that. And that he targeted LGBT people is a real stretch. Even Obama was more anti-LGBT in 2008.
- s73ver_ 9y agoYes. Remember when he was saying he was going to ban all Muslims? And remember the Muslim ban that prevented lawful residents from coming back into the country? You may not want to believe it, but it is true. Lots of groups of marginalized people felt targeted by Trump and his supporters. And Trump has not done a thing to assuage those fears.
- jrs95 9y agoIt wasn't "ban all Muslims" it was "ban all Muslims from entering", which is a pretty important distinction & not anywhere near as severe as deportation. The travel ban was really stupid in my opinion -- but I don't dislike it is as much as I dislike the notion that having any policy about who can or can't come here is immoral.
- s73ver_ 9y agoWhen that policy is based merely on one's religion, and not on anything that matters, then yes, it is immoral.
- jrs95 9y agoIf it "didn't matter" then there wouldn't be such a massive difference in the opinions of Muslims and non-Muslims about secular topics. Islam in particular is also more like religious and political ideology intertwined, and the political aspect of it does not mix well with Western culture or values. I'm not just making this up either, there are a variety of polls from allegedly "moderate" Muslim countries as well as within European countries that show disturbingly high levels of support for terrorism, honor killings, oppression of women, killing of apostates, etc.
- dang 9y agoPlease keep flamewar topics off HN, as the guidelines ask: https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html. Religious flamewar is particularly unwelcome here.
- georgiedown 9y agoIf the majority of the country doesn't want you in, then tough titty. I would not stay somewhere where I'm not welcome.
- throwawaymaroon 9y agoGREEN TEXT ACCOUNT ALERT INITIATE LOCKDOWN HELLBAN
- steve_musk 9y agoWow. Seems like you completely lack the ability to empathize.
- jrs95 9y agoI dunno, I thought it had enough emphasis. Seriously though, it's hard to have it any other way when this issue has been moralized as much as it has. A nation has a fundamental right to control it's borders and determine who does and doesn't get citizenship etc. It is not a human right to have access to the United States.
- swendoog 9y agoI witnessed first hand an entire mobile engineering department at a major US company dissolved. Managers, QA, software engineers, a total of 20 hardworking, dependable people, were shown the door in favor of Chinese contractors who would do their job for a quarter of the price. Empathy, it seems, is often a cherry picked virtue. Try to put yourself in the shoes of someone who sees their country selling out to the highest bidder. Can you not understand their fear?
- dang 9y agoWe've banned this account for violating the site guidelines. Would you please not create accounts to do that with? https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html