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PHP vs Python (not a flame war, just a logical comparison of features)

deweller 16y ago
I enjoy using PHP in spite of its quirks. But my main wish is that the PEAR system was a bit easier to use. After seeing some Ruby Gems in action, it made me wish that PEAR was a little slicker. Does Python have a good and unified package installer like PEAR or Ruby Gems?
- Scott_MacGregor 16y ago
  I agree, PEAR does need to be easier. Maybe somebody in here can make some decent quick money making PEAR better to use.
- Derferman 16y ago
  Yes, Python has a robust package installer in pip[1]. Others use easy_install[2], which works well but lacks key features such as uninstalling packages. Both installers retrieve packages from PyPI[3]. [1]:http://pip.openplans.org/ http://pip.openplans.org/ [2]:http://packages.python.org/distribute/easy_install.html http://packages.python.org/distribute/easy_install.html [3]:http://pypi.python.org/pypi http://pypi.python.org/pypi
st0p 16y ago
Python might be the nicer language, php is still the language I encounter more at my clients.
jayro 16y ago
That's funny. It's actually more like a one-sided flame war. "PHP sucks and Python is awesome!" ;)
- vault_ 16y ago
  I don't even think it was one-sided. Most of Python's strengths had a "retort" afterwards explaining how that feature was in PHP 5. A good number of those even had 'counter-retorts'!
all 16y ago
I use Python a lot for back-end processing but seldom for anything upfront. I tend to prefer PHP there. I was asked to write a book on Python last year and actually included a section on how to use PHP together with Python when doing web development. The two can live together quite nicely if you play their strengths and weaknesses off each other.
- lanstein 16y ago
  What is the book?
alinajaf 16y ago
Whenever I see comparisons like this they're usually written by someone who prefers one over the other rather than 'a logical comparison of features'. This is evident in language like 'schizophrenic tableau of function names'. I prefer Ruby/Python over PHP, the syntax and language features are a lot more predictable and sane in those languages than PHP. But I really think a drawn out comparison like this is beating a dead horse.
pbiggar 16y ago
You can't really compare languages based on feature lists like this. On top of that, I glanced down the list, and noticed a couple of innacuracies, such as the unset() thing. So I can't recommend someone to take anything from this (and this from someone who hates PHP and likes Python).
kloncks 16y ago
As much as I hate to admit it, the fact that this is on Python.org Wiki makes it a biased source. I gave it a chance and went ahead and read it. Sure enough, it sounded very biased towards Python with many PHP inaccuracies. I really would be interested in a true "logical comparison". edit: this is coming from someone who primarily programs in php & python, but with a lot more php experience.
scotty79 16y ago
> one array type that doubles as a list and a dictionary. Dictionary keys are iterated in their original order. Retort: Python 2.7 and 3.1 finally has standard ordered dictionary type (OrderedDict from collections) with basically same functionality.
scotty79 16y ago
>> the ternary operator/statement (... ? ... : ...) > Retort: Python 2.5 has conditional expressions http://www.python.org/dev/peps/pep-0308/ http://www.python.org/dev/peps/pep-0308/ looks more like a hack than a feature
- koenigdavidmj 16y ago
  How's it a hack? They went through the entire standard library, saw that the construct was generally used for the occasional exception to the common case, and front-loaded the common case expression. The principle was that the important thing should go up front.
  - scotty79 16y ago
    You are right. I misread this PEP. Sorry.
gaoshan 16y ago
Based on that post they seem pretty equal. PHP comes out as slightly ahead on web development with Python being more general purpose. In a nutshell, not an especially useful post.

I enjoy using PHP in spite of its quirks. But my main wish is that the PEAR system was a bit easier to use. After seeing some Ruby Gems in action, it made me wish that PEAR was a little slicker. Does Python have a good and unified package installer like PEAR or Ruby Gems?

Scott_MacGregor 16y ago
I agree, PEAR does need to be easier. Maybe somebody in here can make some decent quick money making PEAR better to use.
Derferman 16y ago
Yes, Python has a robust package installer in pip[1]. Others use easy_install[2], which works well but lacks key features such as uninstalling packages. Both installers retrieve packages from PyPI[3]. [1]:http://pip.openplans.org/ http://pip.openplans.org/ [2]:http://packages.python.org/distribute/easy_install.html http://packages.python.org/distribute/easy_install.html [3]:http://pypi.python.org/pypi http://pypi.python.org/pypi

st0p 16y ago

Python might be the nicer language, php is still the language I encounter more at my clients.

jayro 16y ago

That's funny. It's actually more like a one-sided flame war. "PHP sucks and Python is awesome!" ;)

vault_ 16y ago
I don't even think it was one-sided. Most of Python's strengths had a "retort" afterwards explaining how that feature was in PHP 5. A good number of those even had 'counter-retorts'!

all 16y ago

I use Python a lot for back-end processing but seldom for anything upfront. I tend to prefer PHP there. I was asked to write a book on Python last year and actually included a section on how to use PHP together with Python when doing web development. The two can live together quite nicely if you play their strengths and weaknesses off each other.

lanstein 16y ago
What is the book?

alinajaf 16y ago

Whenever I see comparisons like this they're usually written by someone who prefers one over the other rather than 'a logical comparison of features'. This is evident in language like 'schizophrenic tableau of function names'. I prefer Ruby/Python over PHP, the syntax and language features are a lot more predictable and sane in those languages than PHP. But I really think a drawn out comparison like this is beating a dead horse.

pbiggar 16y ago

You can't really compare languages based on feature lists like this. On top of that, I glanced down the list, and noticed a couple of innacuracies, such as the unset() thing. So I can't recommend someone to take anything from this (and this from someone who hates PHP and likes Python).

kloncks 16y ago

As much as I hate to admit it, the fact that this is on Python.org Wiki makes it a biased source. I gave it a chance and went ahead and read it. Sure enough, it sounded very biased towards Python with many PHP inaccuracies. I really would be interested in a true "logical comparison". edit: this is coming from someone who primarily programs in php & python, but with a lot more php experience.

scotty79 16y ago

> one array type that doubles as a list and a dictionary. Dictionary keys are iterated in their original order. Retort: Python 2.7 and 3.1 finally has standard ordered dictionary type (OrderedDict from collections) with basically same functionality.

scotty79 16y ago

>> the ternary operator/statement (... ? ... : ...) > Retort: Python 2.5 has conditional expressions http://www.python.org/dev/peps/pep-0308/ http://www.python.org/dev/peps/pep-0308/ looks more like a hack than a feature

koenigdavidmj 16y ago
How's it a hack? They went through the entire standard library, saw that the construct was generally used for the occasional exception to the common case, and front-loaded the common case expression. The principle was that the important thing should go up front.
- scotty79 16y ago
  You are right. I misread this PEP. Sorry.

gaoshan 16y ago

Based on that post they seem pretty equal. PHP comes out as slightly ahead on web development with Python being more general purpose. In a nutshell, not an especially useful post.