I don't think it's substantive to talk about dishonesty and say "they know", "they know", and "they think". The guidelines ask us not to do this kind of thing,

I don't think it's substantive to talk about dishonesty and say "they know", "they know", and "they think". The guidelines ask us not to do this kind of thing, so please try to do better when approaching controversial topics. > Eschew flamebait. Don't introduce flamewar topics unless you have something genuinely new to say. Avoid unrelated controversies and generic tangents. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html