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A while back, Zed Shaw was claiming to have some bootcamp takedown in the works based on dirt from students and insiders. But then nothing ever came of it. Not

A while back, Zed Shaw was claiming to have some bootcamp takedown in the works based on dirt from students and insiders. But then nothing ever came of it. Not sure if he was afraid of getting sued or it was just posturing.

geofft 9y ago
This is the same Zed Shaw who believes Python 3 isn't Turing-complete because it's not compatible with Python 2? Why should anyone take him seriously?
- fnovd 9y ago
  I'm not defending all of Shaw's ridiculous critiques of Python 3, but the Turing-complete thing was a joke. The conversation, IIRC, was something like this: ZS: Why can't I import or translate Python2 into Python3? P3: That would be a technically challenging thing to do. ZS: But surely it is technically possible, even if it is pragmatically unfeasible? P3: We can't do it. ZS: OK, Python 3 must be Turing-incomplete, ha ha ha! source: https://learnpythonthehardway.org/book/nopython3.html https://learnpythonthehardway.org/book/nopython3.html
  - geofft 9y ago
    It was definitely not interpreted as a joke by the target audience (people who are new to programming, let alone to the idea of Turing-completeness) - e.g., the third Google result for 'zed shaw turing' is a Reddit thread containing this comment: https://www.reddit.com/r/shittyprogramming/comments/5ejbr9/proof_that_python_3_is_not_turing_complete/dacxlhn/ https://www.reddit.com/r/shittyprogramming/comments/5ejbr9/p... So, I don't know if he was serious and then later edited that page to say it was a joke, or if he meant it as a joke and intended to misteach beginners, or if he meant it as a joke and did not realize he was misteaching beginners, but in all three of those cases, I don't see why he's a person worth listening to, especially on the subject of training programmers.
- alphonsegaston 9y ago
  Never heard about that. Maybe it was all bluster then to promote his own stuff over bootcamps.

geofft 9y ago

This is the same Zed Shaw who believes Python 3 isn't Turing-complete because it's not compatible with Python 2? Why should anyone take him seriously?

fnovd 9y ago
I'm not defending all of Shaw's ridiculous critiques of Python 3, but the Turing-complete thing was a joke. The conversation, IIRC, was something like this: ZS: Why can't I import or translate Python2 into Python3? P3: That would be a technically challenging thing to do. ZS: But surely it is technically possible, even if it is pragmatically unfeasible? P3: We can't do it. ZS: OK, Python 3 must be Turing-incomplete, ha ha ha! source: https://learnpythonthehardway.org/book/nopython3.html https://learnpythonthehardway.org/book/nopython3.html
- geofft 9y ago
  It was definitely not interpreted as a joke by the target audience (people who are new to programming, let alone to the idea of Turing-completeness) - e.g., the third Google result for 'zed shaw turing' is a Reddit thread containing this comment: https://www.reddit.com/r/shittyprogramming/comments/5ejbr9/proof_that_python_3_is_not_turing_complete/dacxlhn/ https://www.reddit.com/r/shittyprogramming/comments/5ejbr9/p... So, I don't know if he was serious and then later edited that page to say it was a joke, or if he meant it as a joke and intended to misteach beginners, or if he meant it as a joke and did not realize he was misteaching beginners, but in all three of those cases, I don't see why he's a person worth listening to, especially on the subject of training programmers.
alphonsegaston 9y ago
Never heard about that. Maybe it was all bluster then to promote his own stuff over bootcamps.