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>Your entire response focuses on significant whitespace, which I didn't mention at all in mine. Doesn't matter. >Beowulf cluster It was a fatuous comment des

>Your entire response focuses on significant whitespace, which I didn't mention at all in mine. Doesn't matter. >Beowulf cluster It was a fatuous comment designed to compare with the original fatuous comment. >the time-space tradeoff of the generics is not necessarily a better question than how readable the language is. That is a matter of taste No it's not. Taste is preference, whether or not a language is impossible to deploy with generics in an embedded environment has absolutely nothing to do with whining about syntax. importance: Semantics > syntax I don't think I've seen sophistry and an obsession with the trivial on hackerne.ws like this in quite some time. You're complaining about the color of the bikeshed when real discussion and work is to be done concerning the semantics and structure of the language?

chc 16y ago
I think you're unnecessarily trivializing things that you personally care less about. Who cares about embedded environments? People who work in them. Is that group dwarfed by the group of "programmers who have to read and debug code"? Yes it is. So it seems really petty to personally insult me for caring (not much, but a little) about something that makes code less bug-prone and easier to read for everybody while you hold up something that affects a vanishingly small number of people as what we should be talking about. Your complaints seem to reflect an idea that only features and implementations matter, while user interface is fairly trivial. If you believe that, I think you might be interested in this: http://www.alistapart.com/articles/indefenseofeyecandy/ http://www.alistapart.com/articles/indefenseofeyecandy/
- alnayyir 16y ago
  You linked to a web design website in defense of trival eye candy in a discussion about computer science. I'll just leave it at that.
  - roryokane 16y ago
    Web design is the art of creating user interfaces for websites – the website visitors are the users. Language design is the art of creating user interfaces for programs – programmers are the users. The fields are related by the common theme of designing things for users. And I don’t see how you can call eye candy trivial without defending that assertion right after reading an article that argues it is not trivial.

chc 16y ago

I think you're unnecessarily trivializing things that you personally care less about. Who cares about embedded environments? People who work in them. Is that group dwarfed by the group of "programmers who have to read and debug code"? Yes it is. So it seems really petty to personally insult me for caring (not much, but a little) about something that makes code less bug-prone and easier to read for everybody while you hold up something that affects a vanishingly small number of people as what we should be talking about. Your complaints seem to reflect an idea that only features and implementations matter, while user interface is fairly trivial. If you believe that, I think you might be interested in this: http://www.alistapart.com/articles/indefenseofeyecandy/ http://www.alistapart.com/articles/indefenseofeyecandy/

alnayyir 16y ago
You linked to a web design website in defense of trival eye candy in a discussion about computer science. I'll just leave it at that.
- roryokane 16y ago
  Web design is the art of creating user interfaces for websites – the website visitors are the users. Language design is the art of creating user interfaces for programs – programmers are the users. The fields are related by the common theme of designing things for users. And I don’t see how you can call eye candy trivial without defending that assertion right after reading an article that argues it is not trivial.