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That site has coinhive on it and started maxing out one of my cores.

by mattmanser 9y ago

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pavel_lishin 9y ago
One of my many ad-blocking extensions blocked it. Everyone who says ad-blocking is immoral is welcome to write me a check to help offset my power bill.
- maccard 9y ago
  And you’re welcome to write a check to the people who’s server resources you’re using without supporting them too.
  - pedrocr 9y ago
    He's not using any server resources, he's accessing a service that people willingly put up. There is no legal or moral contract that he then has to execute all the crap code they happen to stuff into the HTTP response. This also misses the main point. People try to argue, like you're doing here, that publishers need to survive and so you shouldn't ad block. I used to do that with reddit, until I started noticing page loads that wouldn't end and continuous network usage. Reactivating the ad blocker solved that. The reality of the situation is that ad networks are malicious actors and need to be handled as such.
    - pavel_lishin 9y ago
      I am using server resources, but I don't buy into the premise that I must use a particular javascript-enabled client to access an HTTP resource. If you want me to pay you, tell me to pay you, don't just reach into my pocket and start plucking out loose change.
    - floatingatoll 9y ago
      The main point is Viking textiles. Adblock and web payment methods are not the main point, no matter how interesting they may be to you both.
    - cabaalis 9y ago
      Many sites do have a TOS that prohibits altering their code. The question would be: does selectively choosing not to run certain code constitute altering it? The world seems to have decided the answer is no.
- PhisherPrice 9y ago
  Even if it's stealing from the rich, is that really immoral?
shpx 9y ago
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dhimes 9y ago
I had never heard of coinhive. Is the idea that, instead of using ads or direct payment, the user allows the website to mine for "money" using the client's computational resources? That's actually a pretty cool concept.
- yoz-y 9y ago
  The problem is that the user does not "allow" the website to use their CPU and, more importantly, battery. Rather, it is done behind their back.
  - dhimes 9y ago
    That's why I said "concept," not "implementation." There is a difference. Edit: To be clear, if it was opt-in, whereby you got to choose if you would rather pay money, view ads, or offer cpu cycles in order to view a site, I could see it catching on.
    - dagw 9y ago
      I wonder who many CPU-seconds it would take to 'pay' the equivalent of one ad-view
      - dhimes 9y ago
        Good question. In my mind the users would just run the code for the duration they were on the site- like that @home stuff from years ago, but while browsing a particular site.
    - yoz-y 9y ago
      It is an interesting concept yes. Also it has the merit of actually accurately measuring the time one spends on the site. (As browsers can throttle JavaScript on tabs which are not in front). How to communicate this to the users is a bit hard though. Should the site show ads and somewhere have a toggle to switch to mining? Would people actually go there?

That site has coinhive on it and started maxing out one of my cores.

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pavel_lishin 9y ago

One of my many ad-blocking extensions blocked it. Everyone who says ad-blocking is immoral is welcome to write me a check to help offset my power bill.

maccard 9y ago
And you’re welcome to write a check to the people who’s server resources you’re using without supporting them too.
- pedrocr 9y ago
  He's not using any server resources, he's accessing a service that people willingly put up. There is no legal or moral contract that he then has to execute all the crap code they happen to stuff into the HTTP response. This also misses the main point. People try to argue, like you're doing here, that publishers need to survive and so you shouldn't ad block. I used to do that with reddit, until I started noticing page loads that wouldn't end and continuous network usage. Reactivating the ad blocker solved that. The reality of the situation is that ad networks are malicious actors and need to be handled as such.
  - pavel_lishin 9y ago
    I am using server resources, but I don't buy into the premise that I must use a particular javascript-enabled client to access an HTTP resource. If you want me to pay you, tell me to pay you, don't just reach into my pocket and start plucking out loose change.
  - floatingatoll 9y ago
    The main point is Viking textiles. Adblock and web payment methods are not the main point, no matter how interesting they may be to you both.
  - cabaalis 9y ago
    Many sites do have a TOS that prohibits altering their code. The question would be: does selectively choosing not to run certain code constitute altering it? The world seems to have decided the answer is no.
PhisherPrice 9y ago
Even if it's stealing from the rich, is that really immoral?

shpx 9y ago

https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/ublock-origin/cjpalhdlnbpafiamejdnhcphjbkeiagm?hl=en-US https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/ublock-origin/cjpa... https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/ublock-origin/ https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/ublock-origin... https://safari-extensions.apple.com/details/?id=com.el1t.uBlock-8782JU4WM4 https://safari-extensions.apple.com/details/?id=com.el1t.uBl...

dhimes 9y ago

I had never heard of coinhive. Is the idea that, instead of using ads or direct payment, the user allows the website to mine for "money" using the client's computational resources? That's actually a pretty cool concept.

yoz-y 9y ago
The problem is that the user does not "allow" the website to use their CPU and, more importantly, battery. Rather, it is done behind their back.
- dhimes 9y ago
  That's why I said "concept," not "implementation." There is a difference. Edit: To be clear, if it was opt-in, whereby you got to choose if you would rather pay money, view ads, or offer cpu cycles in order to view a site, I could see it catching on.
  - dagw 9y ago
    I wonder who many CPU-seconds it would take to 'pay' the equivalent of one ad-view
    - dhimes 9y ago
      Good question. In my mind the users would just run the code for the duration they were on the site- like that @home stuff from years ago, but while browsing a particular site.
  - yoz-y 9y ago
    It is an interesting concept yes. Also it has the merit of actually accurately measuring the time one spends on the site. (As browsers can throttle JavaScript on tabs which are not in front). How to communicate this to the users is a bit hard though. Should the site show ads and somewhere have a toggle to switch to mining? Would people actually go there?