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oh god just enough with the propoganda already. only 0.1% of marijuanna smokers actually need it as a medicine, everyboyd else is simply a pothead. stop praisin

by elvirs 9y ago

oh god just enough with the propoganda already. only 0.1% of marijuanna smokers actually need it as a medicine, everyboyd else is simply a pothead. stop praising the thing like its a fucking elixir sent to save the humanity

csours 9y ago
0% of ethanol users and 0% of nicotine users actually need it as medicine!
- ohreeree 9y ago
  Actually nicotine is very effective as a replacement for those on anti anxiety meds that only need occasional stress prevention to prevent anxiety attacks. Although I'm talking about its use in a controlled form as a medication instead of an addictive habit. Quite a few studies are ongoing thanks to the rise of vapes allowing an easy isolation tool for inhaled chemicals.
  - csours 9y ago
    I stand corrected, thanks.
agreewiththis 9y ago
Created an account just to vote this up and agree. Personally, I enjoy smoking/using marijuana. I think it should be legal. I agree with all the typical talking point about legalizing it and the social harm caused by the drug war. But nothing is more annoying that potheads pretending that some minor study somewhere showing that marijuana has some minor positive effect on something or other means it's a "miracle drug." What is even worse - various nefarious actors - from intelligence agencies, to Big Pharma, to various players with their own agendas, have a long history of, and a very obvious financial/power stake in, promoting - or perhaps over-promoting - certain social trends, including recreational drug use - and have co-opted a HUGE group of people who should know better to exaggerate the benefits of various things. St. John's Wart, ten years ago, was "just as effective as Prozac," and everyone was talking about "herbal remedies." The reality was that daily exercise was, for most people, "just as effective as Prozac" but that doesn't have the "cool factor" of being "like, against the drug war, man." Intelligence agencies have been trying to use drugs like LSD for a half-century to do what in their own lingo is "mind control" yet every time some ad supported, Fortune 500, In-Q-Tel publication like Wired.com tells us how "all the super-smart Silicon Valley execs are micro-dosing on LSD" even hinting at a slight objection will get you downvoted to hell on these social media sites like Hacker News and reddit. There's a reason for that but no one wants to risk their social media karma pointing it out - you might be accused of being a "alt right neo-nazi trump kkk racist sexist homphobica" something or other.
- pstuart 9y ago
  There's multiple reported cases of the medicinal value of cannabis. Regardless of that, the harm reduction of allowing people to "self-medicate" with it vs. alcohol or opiates is worthwhile. Your LSD theory is, um, odd. Just because these drugs have overly enthusiastic users doesn't diminish the fact that they do have some real value.
  - agreewiththis 9y ago
    >Your LSD theory is, um, odd. Really? You must be completely unfamiliar with the history of LSD, which was introduced to American (and Britain) by the CIA (and MI5/6.) Odd? I was 15 when I went to the public library and read the well-documented history via such famous books like "Acid Dreams" and "My Problem Child" and "Storming Heaven." What I say is "odd" is how the Silicon Valley/In-Q-Tel has been able to reintroduce LSD - and make it "cool" again - while conveniently ignoring the well-documented history of why stuff like LSD was made illegal in the first place. HINT: California parents in the 1960s were not particularly happy that intelligence agencies used their college aged children as subjects for unethical and in many cases out-right illegal drug experiments - and continued to do so when they used the democratic process to try to stop it. >Just because these drugs have overly enthusiastic users doesn't diminish the fact that they do have some real value. "Drugs" is a pretty wide category, isn't it? Heroin is a drug - so is aspirin. Would you care to be more specific?
    - zeofig 9y ago
      He said "these drugs", obviously referring to LSD, weed and other psychotropic drugs that are relatively harmless physiologically, i.e. the drugs your post is about. Of course, this is only one vector of incoherence in your rambling bundle.
      - agreewiththis 9y ago
        >other psychotropic drugs that are relatively harmless physiologically > one vector of incoherence in your rambling bundle. All the evidence of harm is played down while minuscule "benefits" are widely exaggerated in the media - by the same media companies that "just happen" to be funded by the same people promoting these same drugs. If I was instead talking about private industry, like say, Monsanto, I would be social media points on social media properties like Hacker News and reddit.com, which are typically funded by In-Q-Tel. But going against the institutional agenda of In-Q-Tel (i.e., intel agency) funded sites like Hacker News and reddit.com will - obviously - get downvotes and hostile trolling like "rambling bundle." I would challenge anyone to find In-Q-Tel funded media properties publishing anything even slightly negative about LSD - or even marijuana. In fact, try to find a published article that is not overtly pro-LSD in the various online publications funded by In-Q-Tel (CIA) since the 1990s - it's more difficult than it would seem. You will, on the other hand, be greeted with a well coordinated campaign of insults and "trolling" typified by such ad hom as "incoherence" and "rambling." It's a pattern that is extremely easy to detect."
hourislate 9y ago
I don't smoke or drink but what is your opinion about Alcohol drinkers are they all drunks? What about Opiate users are they all pill poppers? Marijuana has been used for millennia as medicine why all the hate? Let it help the sick people and let the others enjoy it's other aspects. No one will force a joint into your mouth. You will be safe...
- agreewiththis 9y ago
  >Marijuana has been used for millennia as medicine why all the hate? What "hate?" I read the whole thread and I cannot fathom anything even close to anything that could be considered "hate?" What I read was an extremely mild annoyance at how potheads have developed something extremely similar to a religious cult where their favorite (and my favorite) recreational drug must always be praised and its minuscule benefits must always be exaggerated and paired with a ridiculous and frankly comical pretense at "oppression" because it's not technically legal (although it is de facto legal for virtually everyone reading this website and most like it.)
  - 3131s 9y ago
    Try selling pounds of it and tell me that it's only "technically" illegal. Or try being non-white, in which case your chances of being arrested for even personal-use amounts go way up. Or an ex-con failing their piss test on probation and going back to jail, or a manual laborer denied work-related injury insurance claims because they smoked a joint on the weekend. I know many people fucked over by the legal system over this drug that you seem to think is not actively prohibited.
  - mklod 9y ago
    there's some tautology in there
- y_u_no_rust 9y ago
  Personally I find both disgusting, ending prohibition was pure idiocy
empath75 9y ago
Even if marijuana were objectively bad to use for every possible purpose, I would still be in favor of it being legalized because prohibition is almost always worse.
pstuart 9y ago
oh god just enough with the prohibition and the crime, corruption and damage it does. It's a drug. Yes. It has medicinal value but most people like the recreational aspects of it. Deal with it.
- agreewiththis 9y ago
  >most people like the recreational aspects of it. Deal with it. I really wish people could deal with that. It's not a miracle cure, it's just a drug and it feels good - like getting a buzz on wine. Yet people act like it's 1935 and there's some huge "Reefer Madness" thing going on where people are acting like smoking a joint is going to cause a Communist Revolution and the Evil Right Wingers are freaking out because some poor White Liberal smoked a joint. In what reality are people living in? Smoking weed - occasionally - is mainstream. True - you aren't supposed to smoke it in public, just like you aren't supposed to go Harvey Weinstein and masturbate into a potted plant in front of some unwilling woman. In what social reality is the fact someone likes to smoke pot occasionally somehow really controversial? I guess since I don't live in Bumfuck, Alabama and most of my social circle are not hard core fundamentalist Christians I am completely unaware of how oppressed upper middle class yuppie computer programmers with a weed fetish are so oppressed in society. Must be my white privilege talking.
NathanWilliams 9y ago
0.1%? Where does that figure come from, or is it just hyperbole coming from your own discomfort with the subject?
mklod 9y ago
You should meet Dr David Casarett, Chief of Palliative Care at Duke. He was also very skeptical of medical cannabis. >"When I first started this project, I really thought of medical marijuana as a joke" http://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2015/07/14/422876973/when-weed-is-the-cure-a-doctors-case-for-medical-marijuana http://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2015/07/14/42287697...
sctb 9y ago
Could you please not post vacuous rants here? We shooting for something a little better. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

by elvirs 9y ago

csours 9y ago

0% of ethanol users and 0% of nicotine users actually need it as medicine!

ohreeree 9y ago
Actually nicotine is very effective as a replacement for those on anti anxiety meds that only need occasional stress prevention to prevent anxiety attacks. Although I'm talking about its use in a controlled form as a medication instead of an addictive habit. Quite a few studies are ongoing thanks to the rise of vapes allowing an easy isolation tool for inhaled chemicals.
- csours 9y ago
  I stand corrected, thanks.

agreewiththis 9y ago

Created an account just to vote this up and agree. Personally, I enjoy smoking/using marijuana. I think it should be legal. I agree with all the typical talking point about legalizing it and the social harm caused by the drug war. But nothing is more annoying that potheads pretending that some minor study somewhere showing that marijuana has some minor positive effect on something or other means it's a "miracle drug." What is even worse - various nefarious actors - from intelligence agencies, to Big Pharma, to various players with their own agendas, have a long history of, and a very obvious financial/power stake in, promoting - or perhaps over-promoting - certain social trends, including recreational drug use - and have co-opted a HUGE group of people who should know better to exaggerate the benefits of various things. St. John's Wart, ten years ago, was "just as effective as Prozac," and everyone was talking about "herbal remedies." The reality was that daily exercise was, for most people, "just as effective as Prozac" but that doesn't have the "cool factor" of being "like, against the drug war, man." Intelligence agencies have been trying to use drugs like LSD for a half-century to do what in their own lingo is "mind control" yet every time some ad supported, Fortune 500, In-Q-Tel publication like Wired.com tells us how "all the super-smart Silicon Valley execs are micro-dosing on LSD" even hinting at a slight objection will get you downvoted to hell on these social media sites like Hacker News and reddit. There's a reason for that but no one wants to risk their social media karma pointing it out - you might be accused of being a "alt right neo-nazi trump kkk racist sexist homphobica" something or other.

pstuart 9y ago
There's multiple reported cases of the medicinal value of cannabis. Regardless of that, the harm reduction of allowing people to "self-medicate" with it vs. alcohol or opiates is worthwhile. Your LSD theory is, um, odd. Just because these drugs have overly enthusiastic users doesn't diminish the fact that they do have some real value.
- agreewiththis 9y ago
  >Your LSD theory is, um, odd. Really? You must be completely unfamiliar with the history of LSD, which was introduced to American (and Britain) by the CIA (and MI5/6.) Odd? I was 15 when I went to the public library and read the well-documented history via such famous books like "Acid Dreams" and "My Problem Child" and "Storming Heaven." What I say is "odd" is how the Silicon Valley/In-Q-Tel has been able to reintroduce LSD - and make it "cool" again - while conveniently ignoring the well-documented history of why stuff like LSD was made illegal in the first place. HINT: California parents in the 1960s were not particularly happy that intelligence agencies used their college aged children as subjects for unethical and in many cases out-right illegal drug experiments - and continued to do so when they used the democratic process to try to stop it. >Just because these drugs have overly enthusiastic users doesn't diminish the fact that they do have some real value. "Drugs" is a pretty wide category, isn't it? Heroin is a drug - so is aspirin. Would you care to be more specific?
  - zeofig 9y ago
    He said "these drugs", obviously referring to LSD, weed and other psychotropic drugs that are relatively harmless physiologically, i.e. the drugs your post is about. Of course, this is only one vector of incoherence in your rambling bundle.
    - agreewiththis 9y ago
      >other psychotropic drugs that are relatively harmless physiologically > one vector of incoherence in your rambling bundle. All the evidence of harm is played down while minuscule "benefits" are widely exaggerated in the media - by the same media companies that "just happen" to be funded by the same people promoting these same drugs. If I was instead talking about private industry, like say, Monsanto, I would be social media points on social media properties like Hacker News and reddit.com, which are typically funded by In-Q-Tel. But going against the institutional agenda of In-Q-Tel (i.e., intel agency) funded sites like Hacker News and reddit.com will - obviously - get downvotes and hostile trolling like "rambling bundle." I would challenge anyone to find In-Q-Tel funded media properties publishing anything even slightly negative about LSD - or even marijuana. In fact, try to find a published article that is not overtly pro-LSD in the various online publications funded by In-Q-Tel (CIA) since the 1990s - it's more difficult than it would seem. You will, on the other hand, be greeted with a well coordinated campaign of insults and "trolling" typified by such ad hom as "incoherence" and "rambling." It's a pattern that is extremely easy to detect."

hourislate 9y ago

I don't smoke or drink but what is your opinion about Alcohol drinkers are they all drunks? What about Opiate users are they all pill poppers? Marijuana has been used for millennia as medicine why all the hate? Let it help the sick people and let the others enjoy it's other aspects. No one will force a joint into your mouth. You will be safe...

agreewiththis 9y ago
>Marijuana has been used for millennia as medicine why all the hate? What "hate?" I read the whole thread and I cannot fathom anything even close to anything that could be considered "hate?" What I read was an extremely mild annoyance at how potheads have developed something extremely similar to a religious cult where their favorite (and my favorite) recreational drug must always be praised and its minuscule benefits must always be exaggerated and paired with a ridiculous and frankly comical pretense at "oppression" because it's not technically legal (although it is de facto legal for virtually everyone reading this website and most like it.)
- 3131s 9y ago
  Try selling pounds of it and tell me that it's only "technically" illegal. Or try being non-white, in which case your chances of being arrested for even personal-use amounts go way up. Or an ex-con failing their piss test on probation and going back to jail, or a manual laborer denied work-related injury insurance claims because they smoked a joint on the weekend. I know many people fucked over by the legal system over this drug that you seem to think is not actively prohibited.
- mklod 9y ago
  there's some tautology in there
y_u_no_rust 9y ago
Personally I find both disgusting, ending prohibition was pure idiocy

empath75 9y ago

Even if marijuana were objectively bad to use for every possible purpose, I would still be in favor of it being legalized because prohibition is almost always worse.

pstuart 9y ago

oh god just enough with the prohibition and the crime, corruption and damage it does. It's a drug. Yes. It has medicinal value but most people like the recreational aspects of it. Deal with it.

agreewiththis 9y ago
>most people like the recreational aspects of it. Deal with it. I really wish people could deal with that. It's not a miracle cure, it's just a drug and it feels good - like getting a buzz on wine. Yet people act like it's 1935 and there's some huge "Reefer Madness" thing going on where people are acting like smoking a joint is going to cause a Communist Revolution and the Evil Right Wingers are freaking out because some poor White Liberal smoked a joint. In what reality are people living in? Smoking weed - occasionally - is mainstream. True - you aren't supposed to smoke it in public, just like you aren't supposed to go Harvey Weinstein and masturbate into a potted plant in front of some unwilling woman. In what social reality is the fact someone likes to smoke pot occasionally somehow really controversial? I guess since I don't live in Bumfuck, Alabama and most of my social circle are not hard core fundamentalist Christians I am completely unaware of how oppressed upper middle class yuppie computer programmers with a weed fetish are so oppressed in society. Must be my white privilege talking.

NathanWilliams 9y ago

0.1%? Where does that figure come from, or is it just hyperbole coming from your own discomfort with the subject?

mklod 9y ago

You should meet Dr David Casarett, Chief of Palliative Care at Duke. He was also very skeptical of medical cannabis. >"When I first started this project, I really thought of medical marijuana as a joke" http://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2015/07/14/422876973/when-weed-is-the-cure-a-doctors-case-for-medical-marijuana http://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2015/07/14/42287697...

sctb 9y ago

Could you please not post vacuous rants here? We shooting for something a little better. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html