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Your arrogant dismissal of a beginners' genuine troubles with a certain programming style is exactly why programmers in general but especially the FP crowd have

by dtech 9y ago

Your arrogant dismissal of a beginners' genuine troubles with a certain programming style is exactly why programmers in general but especially the FP crowd have such a bad rep.

bad_user 9y ago
After having my fair share of attempts to teach people and hearing the same flawed arguments repeated online ad nauseam, including the "too academic" classification which ends all reasonable dialog, to be frank, I couldn't give a shit. If you want to point fingers, I would be more worried about the rampant "anti-intellectualism" going on in this industry, accumulated along with other social problems (other -isms) we are experiencing, like sexism or ageism. Look, it's fine if you don't understand, it's fine if something is out of reach relative to your current knowledge. And most often than not, the teacher is the one doing a poor job at teaching. There's a big difference in results between good teachers and bad teachers, between good books and bad books, etc. And maybe you don't need the subject in question, maybe you're fine with writing dirty Python scripts, whatever. But dismissing work of other people as "academic flubbery" is mean and counterproductive and you can't teach people good manners — they should have learned those in their first 7 years of their life. I'm also not inclined to fight for every beginner, I'm only fighting for those with good manners and if you'd know me, you'd know that I have open source libraries released and that I'm helping users in my free time and at great personal sacrifice. I'm actually putting my time and money where my mouth is and I've never berated anybody for not knowing something, only for being disrespectful. The disrespectful ones can go somewhere else. I'm fine with having small and focused communities btw, instead of a big and toxic one, because life is too short to take abuse from random folks on the Internet.
- traverseda 9y ago
  I suspect that the complaints of "anti-intellectualism" are too general. Critical-theorists make the same set of complaints. There's a big difference between anti-intellectual and anti-bullshit sentiment. When bad ideas are dressed up in academic authority, well they often have a hard time outside of academia. That's what "too academic" means. That this could be another bad idea dressed in academic authority and we'd have no way to tell.

by dtech 9y ago

Your arrogant dismissal of a beginners' genuine troubles with a certain programming style is exactly why programmers in general but especially the FP crowd have such a bad rep.

bad_user 9y ago

After having my fair share of attempts to teach people and hearing the same flawed arguments repeated online ad nauseam, including the "too academic" classification which ends all reasonable dialog, to be frank, I couldn't give a shit. If you want to point fingers, I would be more worried about the rampant "anti-intellectualism" going on in this industry, accumulated along with other social problems (other -isms) we are experiencing, like sexism or ageism. Look, it's fine if you don't understand, it's fine if something is out of reach relative to your current knowledge. And most often than not, the teacher is the one doing a poor job at teaching. There's a big difference in results between good teachers and bad teachers, between good books and bad books, etc. And maybe you don't need the subject in question, maybe you're fine with writing dirty Python scripts, whatever. But dismissing work of other people as "academic flubbery" is mean and counterproductive and you can't teach people good manners — they should have learned those in their first 7 years of their life. I'm also not inclined to fight for every beginner, I'm only fighting for those with good manners and if you'd know me, you'd know that I have open source libraries released and that I'm helping users in my free time and at great personal sacrifice. I'm actually putting my time and money where my mouth is and I've never berated anybody for not knowing something, only for being disrespectful. The disrespectful ones can go somewhere else. I'm fine with having small and focused communities btw, instead of a big and toxic one, because life is too short to take abuse from random folks on the Internet.

traverseda 9y ago
I suspect that the complaints of "anti-intellectualism" are too general. Critical-theorists make the same set of complaints. There's a big difference between anti-intellectual and anti-bullshit sentiment. When bad ideas are dressed up in academic authority, well they often have a hard time outside of academia. That's what "too academic" means. That this could be another bad idea dressed in academic authority and we'd have no way to tell.