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Peter O Knight Airport, Tampa, FL. Heres some coverage of the incident: http://www.tampabay.com/news/publicsafety/accidents/two-hurt-when-plane-clips-mast-cras

Peter O Knight Airport, Tampa, FL. Heres some coverage of the incident: http://www.tampabay.com/news/publicsafety/accidents/two-hurt-when-plane-clips-mast-crashes-into-davis-islands-airport/919716?comments=legacy http://www.tampabay.com/news/publicsafety/accidents/two-hurt...

howard941 9y ago
WTH was a sailboat mast doing in front of the runway? Was the pilot performing a short approach?
- jdmichal 9y ago
  It doesn't help that the Davis Island yacht club is right next to the airport. https://www.google.com/maps/@27.9136028,-82.4500183,1593m/data=!3m1!1e3 https://www.google.com/maps/@27.9136028,-82.4500183,1593m/da...
- Mitchhhs 9y ago
  So at this airport, there is a shipping channel you fly over right before the airport (the airport is on an island). However, this sailboat was motoring closer to the airport side and didnt have any sails up making it harder to see. Also, we were in an Extra 300, which is a tail dragging aircraft so we couldnt see over the front cowling. We impacted the boat at 40 feet, so gives you a sense of how close it was to the start of the runway. I didnt notice anything until all of a sudden I saw a pole whiz past the right side of my field of view and heard a bang. Next, thing I know we are rotating upside down, I feel an impact, then watch as the ground slides by a foot above my head (the aircraft has a glass canopy). Was conscious the whole time. Ended up pinned between the aircraft and the ground hanging upside down in my harness. Just typing this makes me think, oh yeah that actually happened.
  - bitexploder 9y ago
    I have seen bad car accidents happen and been in minor ones. I am curious about how you remember your perception of time. This is a simple description, but it is "fast not fast" when it is happening to you. "Yep this is happening. Oh, they are going 25. Yep they are going to hit me, that is going to be scary, possibly hurt, and cost a lot to repair. I hope this doesn't hurt my neck. I should put my feet flat. Crunch. Okay, that didn't hurt. The airbag didn't deploy. ..." In about 1 second. Watching the accidents it is sort of surreal, just sort of flat. Bang. Spin. Stop. Airbags deflate. I immediately check surroundings, move out of danger, call 911, try to recall safety things, keep people in place if their injuries seem serious and their vehicle isn't on fire, but it all feels "real time" watching things. It just doesn't register the same in my brain.
    - Mitchhhs 9y ago
      Yeah id say this is pretty accurate. My memory of the event is non-continuous, meaning it is composed of very matter of fact thoughts and images not a continuous video. Overall, id say it is real time, though probably drawn out given the amount of thoughts I remember from what was probably 5-10 seconds of real time. My direct memory is basically as follows: 1. Whoosh of pole, bang noise. 2. "Was that a sailboat" 3. See/feel the world rotate 4. "I think we are going to crash" 5. "I could die" 6. I don't actually remember the impact just flipping and all of a sudden seeing the ground above my head upside down 7. "I'm still alive...but its not over yet" 8. The glass shatters and we come to a stop 9. My friend asks if I am okay. I respond yes. 10. I quickly feel my face as i'm not sure how injured I am, there is some blood on my hands, but not a large amount. 11. I start to feel a burning sensation as some jet fuel and other chemicals are reacting with my skin 12. I start to panic as I realize the gravity of the situation and begin to call for help. 13. Just as I am beginning to really panic, I feel a hand reach in and the plane lifts up. 14. I undo my harness, as my leg moves for the first time, I realize a sharp pain in my foot. 15. I am pulled from the plane and dragged from under my arms with my legs facing the plane. I watch the plane get farther away as im dragged. 16. I am layed down and am instructed not to move until the paramedics come.
jdmichal 9y ago
Could have easily happened at Albert Whitted across the bay in St Pete, also. Usually just hear about planes running off the runway and into the water.
drzaiusapelord 9y ago
Christ, what a mess of an accident. You'd think there would be a practical solution to this that didn't involve operators having to worry about each other behaving correctly. Like moving the airport or shipping lane somewhere else so they don't interfere. Or the tower handling this via automation like a laser bouncing across the waterline and triggering an alert if a boat is too close to the shore. Have you developed a fear of flying over this? Curious about the long term aspects at play here. Who was found at fault here? I'm assuming the boat captain.
- Mitchhhs 9y ago
  I have many thoughts on all of this. 1. Regarding solutions: This airport does not have a tower, so its up to the pilots to use the radio to announce intentions etc. To me, the core problem is that this does not loop in the boats and so there is no way to communicate. I think having the boats or some third party announce when a crossing is occurring would help. I also think, in response to this accident they moved the runway a few hundred feet further from the channel. 2. Regarding blame the NTSB actually ruled it pilot error, but I think that is myopic and only because there wasn't really anything else they could say since their jurisdiction doesnt extend into the rules of boats. Technically it is pilot error, but there were other errors as well from each side that all combined. 3. In terms of fear of flying, im actually okay. I had to fly twice per week for work for many years following this. Sometimes i'd have some flashbacks or bad thoughts, but overall don't have an issue. I've also been back up in a small plane just to do it. That said, I view commercial airplanes as completely safe and have no real fear with them. With small planes theres just so much can go wrong. The planes are not the issue, they are safe themselves. However, because of many small airports not having a tower, the lack of safety comes from having to deal with many other factors at play. I want to fly again later in life, its amazing and I have a love of planes. At this point though I feel like it would be pushing my luck so don't really do it.
  - mannykannot 9y ago
    In what way do you (or drzaiusapelord, if you see this) think that the boat operator was in any way at fault? There doesn't seem to be any indication of that in the NTSB report[1], and the newspaper report states that the boat was in the channel. [1] https://app.ntsb.gov/pdfgenerator/ReportGeneratorFile.ashx?EventID=20081128X83452&AKey=1&RType=Final&IType=CA https://app.ntsb.gov/pdfgenerator/ReportGeneratorFile.ashx?E...

howard941 9y ago

WTH was a sailboat mast doing in front of the runway? Was the pilot performing a short approach?

jdmichal 9y ago
It doesn't help that the Davis Island yacht club is right next to the airport. https://www.google.com/maps/@27.9136028,-82.4500183,1593m/data=!3m1!1e3 https://www.google.com/maps/@27.9136028,-82.4500183,1593m/da...
Mitchhhs 9y ago
So at this airport, there is a shipping channel you fly over right before the airport (the airport is on an island). However, this sailboat was motoring closer to the airport side and didnt have any sails up making it harder to see. Also, we were in an Extra 300, which is a tail dragging aircraft so we couldnt see over the front cowling. We impacted the boat at 40 feet, so gives you a sense of how close it was to the start of the runway. I didnt notice anything until all of a sudden I saw a pole whiz past the right side of my field of view and heard a bang. Next, thing I know we are rotating upside down, I feel an impact, then watch as the ground slides by a foot above my head (the aircraft has a glass canopy). Was conscious the whole time. Ended up pinned between the aircraft and the ground hanging upside down in my harness. Just typing this makes me think, oh yeah that actually happened.
- bitexploder 9y ago
  I have seen bad car accidents happen and been in minor ones. I am curious about how you remember your perception of time. This is a simple description, but it is "fast not fast" when it is happening to you. "Yep this is happening. Oh, they are going 25. Yep they are going to hit me, that is going to be scary, possibly hurt, and cost a lot to repair. I hope this doesn't hurt my neck. I should put my feet flat. Crunch. Okay, that didn't hurt. The airbag didn't deploy. ..." In about 1 second. Watching the accidents it is sort of surreal, just sort of flat. Bang. Spin. Stop. Airbags deflate. I immediately check surroundings, move out of danger, call 911, try to recall safety things, keep people in place if their injuries seem serious and their vehicle isn't on fire, but it all feels "real time" watching things. It just doesn't register the same in my brain.
  - Mitchhhs 9y ago
    Yeah id say this is pretty accurate. My memory of the event is non-continuous, meaning it is composed of very matter of fact thoughts and images not a continuous video. Overall, id say it is real time, though probably drawn out given the amount of thoughts I remember from what was probably 5-10 seconds of real time. My direct memory is basically as follows: 1. Whoosh of pole, bang noise. 2. "Was that a sailboat" 3. See/feel the world rotate 4. "I think we are going to crash" 5. "I could die" 6. I don't actually remember the impact just flipping and all of a sudden seeing the ground above my head upside down 7. "I'm still alive...but its not over yet" 8. The glass shatters and we come to a stop 9. My friend asks if I am okay. I respond yes. 10. I quickly feel my face as i'm not sure how injured I am, there is some blood on my hands, but not a large amount. 11. I start to feel a burning sensation as some jet fuel and other chemicals are reacting with my skin 12. I start to panic as I realize the gravity of the situation and begin to call for help. 13. Just as I am beginning to really panic, I feel a hand reach in and the plane lifts up. 14. I undo my harness, as my leg moves for the first time, I realize a sharp pain in my foot. 15. I am pulled from the plane and dragged from under my arms with my legs facing the plane. I watch the plane get farther away as im dragged. 16. I am layed down and am instructed not to move until the paramedics come.

jdmichal 9y ago

Could have easily happened at Albert Whitted across the bay in St Pete, also. Usually just hear about planes running off the runway and into the water.

drzaiusapelord 9y ago

Christ, what a mess of an accident. You'd think there would be a practical solution to this that didn't involve operators having to worry about each other behaving correctly. Like moving the airport or shipping lane somewhere else so they don't interfere. Or the tower handling this via automation like a laser bouncing across the waterline and triggering an alert if a boat is too close to the shore. Have you developed a fear of flying over this? Curious about the long term aspects at play here. Who was found at fault here? I'm assuming the boat captain.

Mitchhhs 9y ago
I have many thoughts on all of this. 1. Regarding solutions: This airport does not have a tower, so its up to the pilots to use the radio to announce intentions etc. To me, the core problem is that this does not loop in the boats and so there is no way to communicate. I think having the boats or some third party announce when a crossing is occurring would help. I also think, in response to this accident they moved the runway a few hundred feet further from the channel. 2. Regarding blame the NTSB actually ruled it pilot error, but I think that is myopic and only because there wasn't really anything else they could say since their jurisdiction doesnt extend into the rules of boats. Technically it is pilot error, but there were other errors as well from each side that all combined. 3. In terms of fear of flying, im actually okay. I had to fly twice per week for work for many years following this. Sometimes i'd have some flashbacks or bad thoughts, but overall don't have an issue. I've also been back up in a small plane just to do it. That said, I view commercial airplanes as completely safe and have no real fear with them. With small planes theres just so much can go wrong. The planes are not the issue, they are safe themselves. However, because of many small airports not having a tower, the lack of safety comes from having to deal with many other factors at play. I want to fly again later in life, its amazing and I have a love of planes. At this point though I feel like it would be pushing my luck so don't really do it.
- mannykannot 9y ago
  In what way do you (or drzaiusapelord, if you see this) think that the boat operator was in any way at fault? There doesn't seem to be any indication of that in the NTSB report[1], and the newspaper report states that the boat was in the channel. [1] https://app.ntsb.gov/pdfgenerator/ReportGeneratorFile.ashx?EventID=20081128X83452&AKey=1&RType=Final&IType=CA https://app.ntsb.gov/pdfgenerator/ReportGeneratorFile.ashx?E...