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What do you think the Fed was attempting to do? Or let me put it another way - it sounds like you are advocating there be no way for an agency of a democratic g

What do you think the Fed was attempting to do? Or let me put it another way - it sounds like you are advocating there be no way for an agency of a democratic government to dynamically adjust money supply (or interest rates). Say we went all-in on crypto and 10-years-in for whatever reason the crypto supply generation rate we set a decade ago wasnt working (the US economy was crumbling). What then? This is an honest question: Say north korea suddenly waged total was on US, or a massive natural disaster happens, but the government didnt have huge reserves of money to pay for defense or aid? Should they suddenly issue a tax on their citizens to raise capital, and hope they pay in a timely manner?

littlestymaar 9y ago
> What do you think the Fed was attempting to do? Or let me put it another way - it sounds like you are advocating there be no way for an agency of a democratic government to dynamically adjust money supply (or interest rates). You are misinterpreting me. To be more explicit : cryptocurrencies suck for the exact reason you explained (if you look around in this discussion, that's exactly the point I'm making against any cryptocurrency fan) yet saying that current system is working properly is foolish. The recent history (since the 80s) is a good illustration that interest rate isn't a good enough tool for money supply control. And actually it should have been predicted: you have two independent things you want to control (consumer price inflation and asset price inflation) then you can't control them with only one variable. The fed's policy ignored the asset price, and it had the bad consequences I was talking about, but if you chose to control the asset price you'll probably cause deflation and kill economic growth. My take: because it's a system with 2 degrees of freedom, we should have at least two variables to adjust. If the first one is the interest rate, what should the second one be ? I don't know, but probably taxes (On savings ? On capital held maybe ?).
- guelo 9y ago
  Economists talk about having two main tools: monetary and fiscal policies. Traditionally monetary policy is driven by the Fed and fiscal policy is driven by the government, this disconnect means that the two can work at cross-purposes, such as when the Fed is raising rates while the government is talking about boosting the economy with business tax cuts. In reality the state has basically unlimited power to affect the economy, but it chooses to limit what levers are allowed to be used in order to provide stability and confidence. And also out of morality-driven ideology of the same sort the that gave rise to Bitcoin.
namelost 9y ago
There are many countries which do not have the ability to print money, either because they use another country's currency or their currency is pegged. This usually comes about in order to ease trading (e.g. Hong Kong), because the existing currency was very weak, or because that country is too small to manage its own currency.
irln 9y ago
Not advocating for or against the fed or advocating for or against crypto currency but instead attempting to answer your three main questions. > What do you think the Fed was attempting to do? The Fed was attempting to save a system from complete collapse. > it sounds like you are advocating there be no way for an agency of a democratic government to dynamically adjust money supply (or interest rates) This is the crux of the problem. Modern societies need currency and yet the management of the supply of that currency that is equitable to all participants remains illusive. > Say north korea suddenly waged total was on US, or a massive natural disaster happens, but the government didnt have huge reserves of money to pay for defense or aid? The government would use its existing resources, any reserves they put aside for this type of contingency or they could borrow (e.g. bonds) the necessary funds.
- wbl 9y ago
  Fed policy has really not done any of the terrible things you think it did.
- a_c_s 9y ago
  > management of the supply of that currency that is equitable to all participants remains illusive The interests of participants are mutually exclusive: debtors want high inflation, lenders want deflation.
  - rphlx 9y ago
    And that's precisely the problem that an immutable issuance schedule, like Bitcoin's, attempts to solve (fairly successfully so far). It prevents either of those 2 sides from unilaterally manipulating the currency supply to rob the other side after a contract or borrowing arrangement is signed.

littlestymaar 9y ago

> What do you think the Fed was attempting to do? Or let me put it another way - it sounds like you are advocating there be no way for an agency of a democratic government to dynamically adjust money supply (or interest rates). You are misinterpreting me. To be more explicit : cryptocurrencies suck for the exact reason you explained (if you look around in this discussion, that's exactly the point I'm making against any cryptocurrency fan) yet saying that current system is working properly is foolish. The recent history (since the 80s) is a good illustration that interest rate isn't a good enough tool for money supply control. And actually it should have been predicted: you have two independent things you want to control (consumer price inflation and asset price inflation) then you can't control them with only one variable. The fed's policy ignored the asset price, and it had the bad consequences I was talking about, but if you chose to control the asset price you'll probably cause deflation and kill economic growth. My take: because it's a system with 2 degrees of freedom, we should have at least two variables to adjust. If the first one is the interest rate, what should the second one be ? I don't know, but probably taxes (On savings ? On capital held maybe ?).

guelo 9y ago
Economists talk about having two main tools: monetary and fiscal policies. Traditionally monetary policy is driven by the Fed and fiscal policy is driven by the government, this disconnect means that the two can work at cross-purposes, such as when the Fed is raising rates while the government is talking about boosting the economy with business tax cuts. In reality the state has basically unlimited power to affect the economy, but it chooses to limit what levers are allowed to be used in order to provide stability and confidence. And also out of morality-driven ideology of the same sort the that gave rise to Bitcoin.

namelost 9y ago

There are many countries which do not have the ability to print money, either because they use another country's currency or their currency is pegged. This usually comes about in order to ease trading (e.g. Hong Kong), because the existing currency was very weak, or because that country is too small to manage its own currency.

irln 9y ago

Not advocating for or against the fed or advocating for or against crypto currency but instead attempting to answer your three main questions. > What do you think the Fed was attempting to do? The Fed was attempting to save a system from complete collapse. > it sounds like you are advocating there be no way for an agency of a democratic government to dynamically adjust money supply (or interest rates) This is the crux of the problem. Modern societies need currency and yet the management of the supply of that currency that is equitable to all participants remains illusive. > Say north korea suddenly waged total was on US, or a massive natural disaster happens, but the government didnt have huge reserves of money to pay for defense or aid? The government would use its existing resources, any reserves they put aside for this type of contingency or they could borrow (e.g. bonds) the necessary funds.

wbl 9y ago
Fed policy has really not done any of the terrible things you think it did.
a_c_s 9y ago
> management of the supply of that currency that is equitable to all participants remains illusive The interests of participants are mutually exclusive: debtors want high inflation, lenders want deflation.
- rphlx 9y ago
  And that's precisely the problem that an immutable issuance schedule, like Bitcoin's, attempts to solve (fairly successfully so far). It prevents either of those 2 sides from unilaterally manipulating the currency supply to rob the other side after a contract or borrowing arrangement is signed.