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Yes, actually, most of the "Autopilot" features have been available in production cars for over a decade. Tesla is really late to this game, although people can

Yes, actually, most of the "Autopilot" features have been available in production cars for over a decade. Tesla is really late to this game, although people can't seem to realize it because of the distortion field. And that's before we get into disengagements per 1000 miles, where Tesla trails most of the industry by far. No wonder Musk tries to demonize AI. Self-driving is a race to the bottom, with its development slashing car sales by an order of magnitude. That would be bad for an established, mature, car maker, but would be crushing for a company relying purely on future growth. Not only Tesla is behind most in self-driving, it is the most exposed to the downsides of it.

r00fus 9y ago
> Self-driving is a race to the bottom, with its development slashing car sales by an order of magnitude. This isn't bad if you're the only one who can ship self-driving cars with acceptable quality and volume as you'd be disrupting the rest of the industry to fuel massive growth. Steve Jobs was also famous for denouncing something right up until Apple had "the best on the market" of that same thing. It seems like standard CEO playbook.
- ucaetano 9y ago
  > This isn't bad if you're the only one who can ship self-driving cars with acceptable quality and volume as you'd be disrupting the rest of the industry to fuel massive growth. Fixing it: This isn't too bad if you're the only one who can ship self-driving cars with acceptable quality and volume as you'd be disrupting the rest of the industry to fuel massive growth. But you won't be the only one for long. And then the entire industry will downsize. And Tesla is (1) the most susceptible to it, since most of the enterprise value comes from expectation of future growth and (2) it lags behind other makers in self-driving tech.
TeMPOraL 9y ago
> No wonder Musk tries to demonize AI. Ockham's razor suggests it's more likely Elon Musk simply got convinced by the Yudkowsky/Bostrom view on the problem of Unfriendly AI (I particularly recall Musk starting to talk about AI only after reading Bostrom's Superintelligence, but that might have been just a coincidence). Also note that Musk is "demonizing" advanced AI that doesn't exist yet, but is huge on self-driving.
- ucaetano 9y ago
  Ockham razor suggests that he's doing so to avoid losing money. That's a far, far more simple explanation.
  - TeMPOraL 9y ago
    It doesn't pass the sniff test. Musk demonizing AI to slow down progress in self-driving even though he's very big on it and pushing hard to make it work? What?

r00fus 9y ago

> Self-driving is a race to the bottom, with its development slashing car sales by an order of magnitude. This isn't bad if you're the only one who can ship self-driving cars with acceptable quality and volume as you'd be disrupting the rest of the industry to fuel massive growth. Steve Jobs was also famous for denouncing something right up until Apple had "the best on the market" of that same thing. It seems like standard CEO playbook.

ucaetano 9y ago
> This isn't bad if you're the only one who can ship self-driving cars with acceptable quality and volume as you'd be disrupting the rest of the industry to fuel massive growth. Fixing it: This isn't too bad if you're the only one who can ship self-driving cars with acceptable quality and volume as you'd be disrupting the rest of the industry to fuel massive growth. But you won't be the only one for long. And then the entire industry will downsize. And Tesla is (1) the most susceptible to it, since most of the enterprise value comes from expectation of future growth and (2) it lags behind other makers in self-driving tech.

TeMPOraL 9y ago

> No wonder Musk tries to demonize AI. Ockham's razor suggests it's more likely Elon Musk simply got convinced by the Yudkowsky/Bostrom view on the problem of Unfriendly AI (I particularly recall Musk starting to talk about AI only after reading Bostrom's Superintelligence, but that might have been just a coincidence). Also note that Musk is "demonizing" advanced AI that doesn't exist yet, but is huge on self-driving.

ucaetano 9y ago
Ockham razor suggests that he's doing so to avoid losing money. That's a far, far more simple explanation.
- TeMPOraL 9y ago
  It doesn't pass the sniff test. Musk demonizing AI to slow down progress in self-driving even though he's very big on it and pushing hard to make it work? What?