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"Death tax" is a colorful way to describe the estate tax, i.e. the tax levied on your estate when you die. That's not a lie by any means. I think your point is

"Death tax" is a colorful way to describe the estate tax, i.e. the tax levied on your estate when you die. That's not a lie by any means. I think your point is stronger for "death panels". But I don't think it's an outright lie to say that a government panel making decisions as to whether a particular medication is "comparatively effective" is making life and death decisions for some patients. When the FDA doesn't let terminally ill patients try a drug with a low chance of success, it is arguably acting as a death panel. And don't forget that a public option was on the table for Obamacare until final passage. The bill kept changing. A public insurer would definitely have a a board determining which treatments would be covered or not, i.e. a "death panel". https://www.wsj.com/articles/SB10001424052970203513204576047742746513406 https://www.wsj.com/articles/SB10001424052970203513204576047...

vinhboy 9y ago
> I don't think it's an outright lie You're being kind of bias and mincing words in order to prove your point. I read the google manifesto and I could easily summarize as what you said CNN did (which I can't find btw). I am not going to put it in quotes and say it came from the author's mouth, because that would be an "outright lie", but I am allowed to come to my own conclusions about things. "death panels" is a better example of an "outright lie". Because no such thing existed. No one wanted it. No one asked for it. It was created purely for propaganda. It's ridiculous to claim that medical advisory constitute a death panel.
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pfranz 9y ago
The specific legislation both Betsy McCaughey and Sarah Palin pointed at to justify "death panels" said it "would require Medicare to pay for some end-of-life planning counseling sessions with a health care practitioner." (Section 1233) The "death panels" you're talking about have nothing to do with the legislation that it was libeling...which is probably why it was so effective to both uninformed people and educated people.

vinhboy 9y ago

> I don't think it's an outright lie You're being kind of bias and mincing words in order to prove your point. I read the google manifesto and I could easily summarize as what you said CNN did (which I can't find btw). I am not going to put it in quotes and say it came from the author's mouth, because that would be an "outright lie", but I am allowed to come to my own conclusions about things. "death panels" is a better example of an "outright lie". Because no such thing existed. No one wanted it. No one asked for it. It was created purely for propaganda. It's ridiculous to claim that medical advisory constitute a death panel.

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pfranz 9y ago

The specific legislation both Betsy McCaughey and Sarah Palin pointed at to justify "death panels" said it "would require Medicare to pay for some end-of-life planning counseling sessions with a health care practitioner." (Section 1233) The "death panels" you're talking about have nothing to do with the legislation that it was libeling...which is probably why it was so effective to both uninformed people and educated people.