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Setting the whataboutism aside, you're also wrong. I think it's fair to say that the (potential for) harm wasn't sufficiently strong in the public psyche to ju

Setting the whataboutism aside, you're also wrong. I think it's fair to say that the (potential for) harm wasn't sufficiently strong in the public psyche to justify White House-level attention prior to (and probably including) W Bush. Also, the distinction between ISP and Telco was still sufficiently weak that existing Telco regulations designed to protect consumer privacy still had teeth when applied to ISPs. It wasn't until the Obama admin that ISPs starting suing to disentangle themselves from Telco regulations. As for Obama, well... if you haven't heard net neutrality described as "obamacare for the internet", then you're not paying attention. But there's only so much anyone can do with out controlling the Legislative branch.

axaxs 9y ago
This is about privacy, not net neutrality. I wouldn't conflate the two.
- throwawayjava 9y ago
  Again, you're just wrong. Selling/sharing consumer browsing activity were both components of the FCC net neutrality rules.
  - axaxs 9y ago
    Did you actually read the article, or are you just really stretching to be able to say 'wrong'...
    - throwawayjava 9y ago
      > Did you actually read the article, or are you just really stretching to be able to say 'wrong'... No, really, your assertion that Obama-era Net Neutrality rules and privacy rules are disconnected is simply wrong! See "What does that have to do with privacy? " on https://www.epic.org/privacy/netneutrality/ https://www.epic.org/privacy/netneutrality/ When people talk about rolling back FCC rules on net neutrality, they are -- by definition! -- talking about rolling back these privacy protections. There's no debate to be had here. More generally, you may be confused by timelines. Hopefully this will help: pre-2014: Phone companies and ISPs begin tracking customers. 2014 - 2016: FCC begins process of cracking down on this sort of behavior (e.g., see top comment on this story). 2017: FCC reverses course on that crackdown. Perhaps you are claiming that there wasn't a substantive change in valence on the issue of consumer privacy within the FCC and other regulatory agencies over the past six months. And perhaps "net neutrality" means something very specific do you. But that doesn't mean that late Obama-era net neutrality rules weren't aimed and strengthening privacy protections. They were.

axaxs 9y ago

This is about privacy, not net neutrality. I wouldn't conflate the two.

throwawayjava 9y ago
Again, you're just wrong. Selling/sharing consumer browsing activity were both components of the FCC net neutrality rules.
- axaxs 9y ago
  Did you actually read the article, or are you just really stretching to be able to say 'wrong'...
  - throwawayjava 9y ago
    > Did you actually read the article, or are you just really stretching to be able to say 'wrong'... No, really, your assertion that Obama-era Net Neutrality rules and privacy rules are disconnected is simply wrong! See "What does that have to do with privacy? " on https://www.epic.org/privacy/netneutrality/ https://www.epic.org/privacy/netneutrality/ When people talk about rolling back FCC rules on net neutrality, they are -- by definition! -- talking about rolling back these privacy protections. There's no debate to be had here. More generally, you may be confused by timelines. Hopefully this will help: pre-2014: Phone companies and ISPs begin tracking customers. 2014 - 2016: FCC begins process of cracking down on this sort of behavior (e.g., see top comment on this story). 2017: FCC reverses course on that crackdown. Perhaps you are claiming that there wasn't a substantive change in valence on the issue of consumer privacy within the FCC and other regulatory agencies over the past six months. And perhaps "net neutrality" means something very specific do you. But that doesn't mean that late Obama-era net neutrality rules weren't aimed and strengthening privacy protections. They were.