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If a person with teardrop / neck tattoos shows up with a gunshot wound on a weekend night, I have enough confidence to say "get out of this emergency room or we

If a person with teardrop / neck tattoos shows up with a gunshot wound on a weekend night, I have enough confidence to say "get out of this emergency room or we'll call the police". The whole point of negotiation under duress is rendered moot when the person under duress gets to pay prices that are presented to people who aren't under duress. Let me craft an analogy - once upon a time I was going on a road trip and forgot to get my oil changed until the day of the trip. I called up the dealer and asked if they could sneak me in - they could, and I got to pay the same oil change price as someone who scheduled it two weeks in advance. The dealer didn't jack up the price because I needed an oil change immediately and they couldn't because they list their prices and are legally bound to honor them. I think healthcare should have the same thing - every medical facility should have to publish their prices and they should be bound to honor them. And in my system, if you can't pay, you're not going to debtor's prison. You get to go on your way and you might see less social security or tax refunds until you've made good on your debt.

Frondo 9y ago
"If a person with teardrop / neck tattoos shows up with a gunshot wound" Again, you don't know a single thing about the gunshot victims wheeled through the ER the night I was there. You keep bringing up gang imagery, or trying to say somehow that those gunshot victims I saw deserved it or don't deserve medical care (they're just gang bangers and you want to call the cops??? no, they're fucking gunshot victims, and you don't know shit about them). That is stupid, offensive, and wrong. You don't know a thing about them and you've now twice inserted your completely-made-up-out-of-your-own-head "gang bangers" or "teardrop tattoos" shit. Where the fuck is this gang banger garbage coming from?
- alexanderstears 9y ago
  I don't know "where the fuck this gang banger garbage" is coming from but there'd be a lot less of it if we stopped giving them get out of jail free cards in the form of emergency healthcare. You know what's offensive? I pay more than my fair share healthcare expenses and I don't get better access to care than lazy people. You know what's stupid? Health insurers can't adjust my policy based on my gender, but auto insurers can. You know what's wrong? The status quo that makes it better to present to an E.R as a lazy jobless poor person than someone who's working poor. You know the system is bad, why are you defending it? Why don't you go out and tell those gang bangers to put down their guns? They won't, and you're too scared to talk to them because you know deep down that violent poor people in bad parts of town are dangerous and beyond reason.
  - Frondo 9y ago
    Again, you assume these gunshot victims were gang members. You don't know shit about these gunshot victims but in your mind "gunshot victim = gang member". Do you honestly really think that everyone who has been shot and taken to a hospital ER is a gang member? Honestly, really? No one who's been shot isn't in a gang? If your answer is "yes, every gunshot victim is a gang member" then you're a real prize moron, no two ways around it.
    - alexanderstears 9y ago
      No, I think people who look like gang members who have gun shot wounds are probably gang members. Neck tattoos, chains, bad attitude, won't tell the police who shot them = probable gang member Wearing a suit, eager to talk to the police = probably not a gang member.
      - Frondo 9y ago
        YOU. DO. NOT. KNOW. WHAT. THESE. GUNSHOT. VICTIMS. LOOKED. LIKE. DO YOU UNDERSTAND???????
        alexanderstears 9y ago
        We're talking about two separate things - I'm talking about gun shot victims who look like gang members. You're talking about people you've seen. If those people don't look like gang bangers, that's fine, then they can get help.
      - not_kurt_godel 9y ago
        So what if they're gang members? Does that mean it's OK to sentence them to death? Take a good, long, hard look in the mirror.

Frondo 9y ago

"If a person with teardrop / neck tattoos shows up with a gunshot wound" Again, you don't know a single thing about the gunshot victims wheeled through the ER the night I was there. You keep bringing up gang imagery, or trying to say somehow that those gunshot victims I saw deserved it or don't deserve medical care (they're just gang bangers and you want to call the cops??? no, they're fucking gunshot victims, and you don't know shit about them). That is stupid, offensive, and wrong. You don't know a thing about them and you've now twice inserted your completely-made-up-out-of-your-own-head "gang bangers" or "teardrop tattoos" shit. Where the fuck is this gang banger garbage coming from?

alexanderstears 9y ago
I don't know "where the fuck this gang banger garbage" is coming from but there'd be a lot less of it if we stopped giving them get out of jail free cards in the form of emergency healthcare. You know what's offensive? I pay more than my fair share healthcare expenses and I don't get better access to care than lazy people. You know what's stupid? Health insurers can't adjust my policy based on my gender, but auto insurers can. You know what's wrong? The status quo that makes it better to present to an E.R as a lazy jobless poor person than someone who's working poor. You know the system is bad, why are you defending it? Why don't you go out and tell those gang bangers to put down their guns? They won't, and you're too scared to talk to them because you know deep down that violent poor people in bad parts of town are dangerous and beyond reason.
- Frondo 9y ago
  Again, you assume these gunshot victims were gang members. You don't know shit about these gunshot victims but in your mind "gunshot victim = gang member". Do you honestly really think that everyone who has been shot and taken to a hospital ER is a gang member? Honestly, really? No one who's been shot isn't in a gang? If your answer is "yes, every gunshot victim is a gang member" then you're a real prize moron, no two ways around it.
  - alexanderstears 9y ago
    No, I think people who look like gang members who have gun shot wounds are probably gang members. Neck tattoos, chains, bad attitude, won't tell the police who shot them = probable gang member Wearing a suit, eager to talk to the police = probably not a gang member.
    - Frondo 9y ago
      YOU. DO. NOT. KNOW. WHAT. THESE. GUNSHOT. VICTIMS. LOOKED. LIKE. DO YOU UNDERSTAND???????
      - alexanderstears 9y ago
        We're talking about two separate things - I'm talking about gun shot victims who look like gang members. You're talking about people you've seen. If those people don't look like gang bangers, that's fine, then they can get help.
    - not_kurt_godel 9y ago
      So what if they're gang members? Does that mean it's OK to sentence them to death? Take a good, long, hard look in the mirror.