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Yes, all devs should stand up to their moral beliefs. Web analytics isn't necessarily evil, but something like this article is pointing is definitely coming pr

Yes, all devs should stand up to their moral beliefs. Web analytics isn't necessarily evil, but something like this article is pointing is definitely coming pretty close.

gizmo 9y ago
What the telcos are doing here is crossing the line by a mile. A case can be made for anonymized bulk analytics. Stalking individual users like this is totally unacceptable. The executives who came up with this and the engineers who implemented this are absolutely in the wrong, and should be held responsible.
- jimktrains2 9y ago
  Evil is a pretty strong word. I just wasn't sure if this is evil or just dishonest and super super shitty. They've definitely crossed the acceptability line.
  - alsetmusic 9y ago
    After saying it once in the thread, it is not useful to repeat a comment one minute later in a new post. I see that you added a sentence, but this does not suddenly make the previous word-for-word reiteration a new idea.
    - jimktrains2 9y ago
      I agree that it clutters the thread, but the flip side is that many people don't come back to the full thread and only view replies.
Matt3o12_ 9y ago
Coming pretty close? They have definitely crossed a lot of lines at that point. They give your personal information, your name, email and even phone number, just because you have visited some site? I don’t have a problem if a websites checks how many times I log in, and do stuff. That is reasonable to accept. Tracking me across multiple different sites is morally questionable but giving you my freaking private information to anyone who asks and pays even though I have never agreed to that is just morally wrong. And that comes from my carrier whom I expect to take care of my personal information, because they have complete control over my internet and can even see what I’m doing on the internet (yes even encrypted traffic can tell you a lot about someone). It’s not like I really have a choice which Carrier to use because there are so few out there and each one of them is a different kind of shady.
- jimktrains2 9y ago
  Evil is a pretty strong word. I just wasn't sure if this is evil or just dishonest and super super shitty.

Yes, all devs should stand up to their moral beliefs. Web analytics isn't necessarily evil, but something like this article is pointing is definitely coming pretty close.

gizmo 9y ago

What the telcos are doing here is crossing the line by a mile. A case can be made for anonymized bulk analytics. Stalking individual users like this is totally unacceptable. The executives who came up with this and the engineers who implemented this are absolutely in the wrong, and should be held responsible.

jimktrains2 9y ago
Evil is a pretty strong word. I just wasn't sure if this is evil or just dishonest and super super shitty. They've definitely crossed the acceptability line.
- alsetmusic 9y ago
  After saying it once in the thread, it is not useful to repeat a comment one minute later in a new post. I see that you added a sentence, but this does not suddenly make the previous word-for-word reiteration a new idea.
  - jimktrains2 9y ago
    I agree that it clutters the thread, but the flip side is that many people don't come back to the full thread and only view replies.

Matt3o12_ 9y ago

Coming pretty close? They have definitely crossed a lot of lines at that point. They give your personal information, your name, email and even phone number, just because you have visited some site? I don’t have a problem if a websites checks how many times I log in, and do stuff. That is reasonable to accept. Tracking me across multiple different sites is morally questionable but giving you my freaking private information to anyone who asks and pays even though I have never agreed to that is just morally wrong. And that comes from my carrier whom I expect to take care of my personal information, because they have complete control over my internet and can even see what I’m doing on the internet (yes even encrypted traffic can tell you a lot about someone). It’s not like I really have a choice which Carrier to use because there are so few out there and each one of them is a different kind of shady.

jimktrains2 9y ago
Evil is a pretty strong word. I just wasn't sure if this is evil or just dishonest and super super shitty.