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Good Lord can't these media outlets accept reality. HRC lost, deal with it. In almost no way is the left's frustration over a Trump presidency different or more

Good Lord can't these media outlets accept reality. HRC lost, deal with it. In almost no way is the left's frustration over a Trump presidency different or more justified than the right's was over the Obama presidency. My advice to the left and their media fronts; quit screaming "RUSSIANS" and develop a platform that works for the fly over states and not just the coasts.

1_2__4 9y ago
Maybe this isn’t an appropriate comment for HN.
- chiefalchemist 9y ago
  It might help to explain why you find this NSFHN. That's not a complaint, just a request for clarity.
  - majewsky 9y ago
    I answered below the sibling comment.
- 0x445442 9y ago
  Oh, I'm sure it's not. In the same way Demore's comments weren't appropriate for Google.
- TheAceOfHearts 9y ago
  I'd also be interested in understanding why you think it's not appropriate for HN. Many others share GP's view that the whole Russia thing is potentially overblown. Personally, I'm still rather skeptical of the whole matter, considering I haven't been presented with sufficiently strong evidence to make me agree that it played a large role in the 2016 election.
  - majewsky 9y ago
    > I'd also be interested in understanding why you think it's not appropriate for HN. Because this kind of comment usually incites a debate that is below the intellectual standards of HN. This is not a statement about the comment's merit. Just a few days ago, there was a submission about how the US and Israel are leaving UNESCO. I was initially disappointed to see it being flagged off the front page because I was hoping for some insightful commentary on this development, but 90% of comments was arguing about whether there is a Jewish world conspiracy going on. That's why political stories and comments are very often flagged or downvoted to death.
    - 0x445442 9y ago
      Oh please help us all. Is the following really any better? Can someone please explain why the left's frustration over a Trump presidency is any more justified than the right's was over the Obama presidency. And can they also explain how screaming "RUSSIANS" is better than developing a platform that works for the fly over states and not just the coasts. Honestly, is couching everything in the Socratic method the blessed way to comment on HN? Sometimes I don't want to discuss I just want to make a statement.
      - chillwaves 9y ago
        Because Trump is woefully unqualified for the job? Because the words he uses matter and he lies constantly? Even if I agreed with the man's vile philosophy, if I was a supporter I would be frankly embarrassed by the man's performance. He is not even able to staff his branch of government. The man is a failure by every metric. I am speaking now more to the "frustration" over a Trump presidency that the entire country has, not "the left" as you identify them.
fastbeef 9y ago
I’m always caught of guard when the left-right scale is brought up in the context of American politics. Is so far skewed to the right that “the left” corresponds to “moderate-far right wing” in EU terms.
- humanrebar 9y ago
  The American political spectrum is different than the European one. Go back almost 250 years and the U.S. was a constitutional republic with explicit individual rights. It was populated by people who felt persecuted by their religion, indentured servants, entrepreneurs, and slaves oppressed by people who were "looking out for them". The U.S. has never really had too many neighbors to distinguish itself from. It was never centered around a language, race, religion, royal bloodline, or ethnic identity. 250 years ago, Europe was still ruled by kings. Basically, contrast the American revolution to the French one. Anyway, the American right has generally been for preserving liberal democracy, not a monarchy or a cultural identity. Trump is a bit of an exception to this pattern, and doesn't have full support from the Republican party in the aspects of his politics that mirror the European right's (building walls, America first, etc.). The fact that the American congress has problems passing significant legislation demonstrates this fact.
  - namelost 9y ago
    It seems that the biggest difference between the American right and left is whether to preserve the wealth of the rich at all costs, or whether to prioritise some other objectives ahead of that.
    - humanrebar 9y ago
      Protecting the rich is very bipartisan. There is plenty of evidence of that, but the Wall Street bailouts we're certainly supported by both parties in Congress. Likewise, incumbent friendly policies were implemented by Bush and adopted by Obama.
daeken 9y ago
There are honestly few reasons to be frustrated about Trump's presidency, and the left harping on HRC's loss is silly. It's not like he proudly boasted about his sexual assaults. Nor has he spoken at conferences for white supremacists. He hasn't even said that Mexicans are rapists and drug dealers (and some, he assumes, are good people). He definitely doesn't have a VP that supports gay conversion camps. And he isn't trying to take healthcare from millions of individuals. Really, as a white man in the highest tax brackets, I have no reason at all to fear Trump, so why would anyone else?
- bostik 9y ago
  I hope that was an attempt at sarcasm. I really do. Because if not, let me rewrite your last sentence: "Really, as a member of the inoculated group, I have no reason to fear the plague, so why would anyone else?"
  - daeken 9y ago
    Yes.
- porfirium 9y ago
  The fact that you only see this but don't see anything wrong with Obama's presidency proves the GP's point.
  - daeken 9y ago
    There was plenty wrong with Obama's presidency. The difference is that absolutely zero people had reason to believe that they were less than human due to his presidency. Ignoring that is asinine.
    - porfirium 9y ago
      The fact that you don't see how people in communities that are devastated because of the opioids and that have been ignored or even insulted by the dems feel less than human proves the GP's point.

1_2__4 9y ago

Maybe this isn’t an appropriate comment for HN.

chiefalchemist 9y ago
It might help to explain why you find this NSFHN. That's not a complaint, just a request for clarity.
- majewsky 9y ago
  I answered below the sibling comment.
0x445442 9y ago
Oh, I'm sure it's not. In the same way Demore's comments weren't appropriate for Google.
TheAceOfHearts 9y ago
I'd also be interested in understanding why you think it's not appropriate for HN. Many others share GP's view that the whole Russia thing is potentially overblown. Personally, I'm still rather skeptical of the whole matter, considering I haven't been presented with sufficiently strong evidence to make me agree that it played a large role in the 2016 election.
- majewsky 9y ago
  > I'd also be interested in understanding why you think it's not appropriate for HN. Because this kind of comment usually incites a debate that is below the intellectual standards of HN. This is not a statement about the comment's merit. Just a few days ago, there was a submission about how the US and Israel are leaving UNESCO. I was initially disappointed to see it being flagged off the front page because I was hoping for some insightful commentary on this development, but 90% of comments was arguing about whether there is a Jewish world conspiracy going on. That's why political stories and comments are very often flagged or downvoted to death.
  - 0x445442 9y ago
    Oh please help us all. Is the following really any better? Can someone please explain why the left's frustration over a Trump presidency is any more justified than the right's was over the Obama presidency. And can they also explain how screaming "RUSSIANS" is better than developing a platform that works for the fly over states and not just the coasts. Honestly, is couching everything in the Socratic method the blessed way to comment on HN? Sometimes I don't want to discuss I just want to make a statement.
    - chillwaves 9y ago
      Because Trump is woefully unqualified for the job? Because the words he uses matter and he lies constantly? Even if I agreed with the man's vile philosophy, if I was a supporter I would be frankly embarrassed by the man's performance. He is not even able to staff his branch of government. The man is a failure by every metric. I am speaking now more to the "frustration" over a Trump presidency that the entire country has, not "the left" as you identify them.

fastbeef 9y ago

I’m always caught of guard when the left-right scale is brought up in the context of American politics. Is so far skewed to the right that “the left” corresponds to “moderate-far right wing” in EU terms.

humanrebar 9y ago
The American political spectrum is different than the European one. Go back almost 250 years and the U.S. was a constitutional republic with explicit individual rights. It was populated by people who felt persecuted by their religion, indentured servants, entrepreneurs, and slaves oppressed by people who were "looking out for them". The U.S. has never really had too many neighbors to distinguish itself from. It was never centered around a language, race, religion, royal bloodline, or ethnic identity. 250 years ago, Europe was still ruled by kings. Basically, contrast the American revolution to the French one. Anyway, the American right has generally been for preserving liberal democracy, not a monarchy or a cultural identity. Trump is a bit of an exception to this pattern, and doesn't have full support from the Republican party in the aspects of his politics that mirror the European right's (building walls, America first, etc.). The fact that the American congress has problems passing significant legislation demonstrates this fact.
- namelost 9y ago
  It seems that the biggest difference between the American right and left is whether to preserve the wealth of the rich at all costs, or whether to prioritise some other objectives ahead of that.
  - humanrebar 9y ago
    Protecting the rich is very bipartisan. There is plenty of evidence of that, but the Wall Street bailouts we're certainly supported by both parties in Congress. Likewise, incumbent friendly policies were implemented by Bush and adopted by Obama.

daeken 9y ago

There are honestly few reasons to be frustrated about Trump's presidency, and the left harping on HRC's loss is silly. It's not like he proudly boasted about his sexual assaults. Nor has he spoken at conferences for white supremacists. He hasn't even said that Mexicans are rapists and drug dealers (and some, he assumes, are good people). He definitely doesn't have a VP that supports gay conversion camps. And he isn't trying to take healthcare from millions of individuals. Really, as a white man in the highest tax brackets, I have no reason at all to fear Trump, so why would anyone else?

bostik 9y ago
I hope that was an attempt at sarcasm. I really do. Because if not, let me rewrite your last sentence: "Really, as a member of the inoculated group, I have no reason to fear the plague, so why would anyone else?"
- daeken 9y ago
  Yes.
porfirium 9y ago
The fact that you only see this but don't see anything wrong with Obama's presidency proves the GP's point.
- daeken 9y ago
  There was plenty wrong with Obama's presidency. The difference is that absolutely zero people had reason to believe that they were less than human due to his presidency. Ignoring that is asinine.
  - porfirium 9y ago
    The fact that you don't see how people in communities that are devastated because of the opioids and that have been ignored or even insulted by the dems feel less than human proves the GP's point.