They're great, really! I'm not a hater. It's just you have to be at least an ok programmer to use them, because (and I know this isn't a word) the programmery

They're great, really! I'm not a hater. It's just you have to be at least an ok programmer to use them, because (and I know this isn't a word) the programmery-ness of what you're doing just pokes through a lot.