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Inception's Usability Problem

53 points by samstokes 16y ago

Dilpil 16y ago
"In-game tutorials are both hugely important and difficult to pull off, and today's game-designers have gotten pretty clever about putting them together." Disagree heavily. Many of the most complicated games from the past had no tutorials, but people were still able to figure them out. Figuring out was part of the fun in fact. Most people I know simply ignore tutorials. And I can't blame them, because developers tend to be horrible at putting tutorials together. Most tutorials today start with the most basic things imaginable- moving your character and moving the camera. These things don't change from game to game. Only a very small number of modern games have tutorials worth playing.
- mhansen 16y ago
  Most new games I see have cleverly disguised the tutorial as the first few levels (probably because everyone skips them). Instead of explicitly introducing concepts, concepts are introduced in-game one by one. There's a gentle ramp-up, and the goal is to have the player unaware that they're playing a tutorial. It's very tricky to get the right balance between teaching and action in the first few levels. Examples of games where the tutorial is the first few levels (off the top of my head): Halo, Portal, Half Life 2
  - raquo 16y ago
    In HL2 the tutorials are really great. First, there are a lot of mini-tutorials throughout the game with no instructions where you can not advance until you learn some easy skill - like breaking wood with crowbar, shooting a padlock to open a door, putting concrete blocks on a swing for it to rise, etc. Then, there are cases where you'd want to practice a skill before the using it in battle - like using Magnusson devices to hit striders. You get instructions and a chance to fire it seveal times to get a feeling of its trajectory without having to load the game a dozen times during the real battle.
- arethuza 16y ago
  I hardly ever play tutorials - mostly because they are really boring. However, I do have an 11 year old son - I usually learn games by having him explain to me the bare minimum of controller commands and learning as I go after that. If an 11 year old can't explain in 30 seconds enough to get me started in a game then I probably will get bored and go back to playing Halo 3 online.
marknutter 16y ago
I think Nolan struck a decent balance between ambiguity and exposition. The moments that were heavy with "tutorials" were still fun because of the visual effects, like when they were folding Paris. The OP forgets that the Matrix had plenty of exposition too. Not to mention, Nolan waits until the movie is well on its way before he starts to explain the rules of his universe. I think inceptions concepts are more complicated than the Matrix's, anyways.
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Tycho 16y ago
I'm pushing a lot of film criticisms onto my mind's stack of 'possibly groundless convictions' these days. I keep seeing complaints that a) a good film needs you to 'care' about the characters who must have 'emotional depth' through 'development' b) a good film should not be pre-occupied with 'exposition' or 'explaining' what is happening but... says who? They sound like half-baked ideas that arm-chair movie critics have internalized and regurgitate at the slightest opportunity. I was so much more interested in watching Nolan introduce more elegant but mind-bending ideas about the mechanics of recursive dreaming and then manifesting them with spectacular action scenes, than I was interested in the missing 'character development' milieu like watching the protagonist play with his kids, have a normal domestic argument with his wife, become a workaholic etc. etc. The characters explained their plans and problems because it made sense for them to do so (ie. it never felt contrived for the audience's sake), and the explanations in themselves were entertaining. Deeper thematic ideas were still tackled, like the central point of how the protagonist needed to untangle himself from his subconscious regrets/guilt before he was ready to have a real life with his children, just not in the usual sappy ways that we've seen thousands of times before. And I refuse to accept that the film was confusing -- yes there were a couple of details that we discussed on the way home from the cinema but satisfactory explanations were forthcoming. All films have details like that, with Inception they're more fun to figure out.
- barrkel 16y ago
  Different works of art engage the intellect at different levels, certainly. But the best work at multiple levels simultaneously. Sympathetic characters draw watchers deeper into the movie, at an emotional level, in a way that pure ideas cannot. Similarly, as a visual medium, showing things happening rather than explaining them has much more impact. Using dialogue (or worse, monologues) to explain something is weak storytelling; it's not making full use of the medium, and won't have the same impact as it could otherwise have. Other exposition techniques, like flashbacks, are often cheap - they can appear to make things momentous not because they're part of a story, but because they have some convenient echo in something jammed in precisely to deliver the echo. There's much more to good movie-making: lighting, cinematography, and especially the soundscape, as technical elements that both paint beautiful pictures, and draw the viewer into the "realism" of the scene portrayed, usually by subtly overemphasizing reality. They're definitely not half-baked ideas. Take Fight Club as a simple example. It's both about adrenaline-pumping aggression and destruction, and a critique of masculinity. If it was only the first, it would be mindless; if it was only the second, it would be dry and boring. By combining the two, you get both juicy entertainment, and food for thought for the masses. Making something properly entertaining - more entertaining for the average viewer than e.g. a philosophy textbook - needs more than just ideas.
gaius 16y ago
Actually I would say the opposite. The film wastes no time talking about how the dream-sharing technology works, there's no Star Trek style technobabble. The audience is simply presented with a world in which this technology is taken for granted, and straight on with the story.
- PaulJoslin 16y ago
  It's the fact it takes the relatively simple concept. 'We are exploring their dreams for data' and pushes it to a unnecessary level of complexity. A limbo state within a dream, within a dream, within a dream, (within a dream?). It reminded me of recursion in programming, waiting for it all to unwind. Not to mention all the rest of the things which just added to the complexity of the whole experience. Don't get me wrong, I enjoyed it and could follow the plot, but it constantly felt like it was adding complexity just for the sake of it, not necessarily improving the experience. I don't really understand why they had an entire training montage where she learnt to bend the world, experimented with physics, limits of dreams, even taught her some clever tricks such as 'penrose stairs'. Yet, when it came to her utilisation in the film, she was not seen to do anything? (I know she designed the levels, but ultimately her role in doing that seemed to be ignored. I was awaiting her to use her 'amazing skill' to do something great to help save the day.
- mjac 16y ago
  I went into the theatre not knowing what to expect. I left dumbstruck, somewhat in doubt of the world. What if I was three levels deep and this wasn't the real world? It was great seeing the viewers dazed, stepping tentatively towards the exit. Many of these ideas were presented in The Matrix but the "idea" of n-deep illusions was central to Inception. I appreciated the time multiplication, even given the 20x fast brain function bodge. Why were the acceleration changes only go one layer deep? Perhaps inner ear sensation (balance, acceleration) in the dreamer's world are the only modifiers. It doesn't matter, the construct produced intriguing new effects that I was pleased to experience. We should be arguing about interesting ramifications. Personally I'd like to believe that Mal was correct and Cobb was dreaming all through the film. The film reminds me of a couple of Red Dwarf books: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Better_Than_Life http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Better_Than_Life (especially) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Last_Human http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Last_Human These are definitely worth a read if you are interested in science fiction.
PaulJoslin 16y ago
This was exactly how I felt when I left the cinema. Although it was a good film, I felt the execution of the idea felt sloppy. It had promise to be truly amazing, but often purposely became confusing in the aim of seeming to be clever. I think in Inception they took things too far, multiple dream levels, weird limbo states, etc. They could've just built a far simpler movie and it would've flowed a lot better. It's comparable to software. Often the most enjoyable user experience is one with very few features executed extremely well. Compared to a piece of software with every single feature or idea plugged in, executed fairly sloppily. Inception was lucky it had a great core concept, cast and good effects to hold up for the on going confusion throughout the film. The comparison I feel is Matrix compared to Existence, where 'Existence' in this scenario is Inception.
- Maro 16y ago
  I agree with PaulJoslin's criticism. It was a good film, but I didn't think it was great, by the end I had a certain hollow feeling, same as I had after Dark Knight or Memento (not after Prestige). Like in DK, I felt that the plot was overcomplicated, there were too many dream layers, too much was going on. I also missed somewhat longer, continuous action sequences. In Inception, every action sequence was over in 30 seconds, with everything happening in a dream (death just means you wake up), so it removed what little tension these sequences carried. (But then sometimes the in-game rules were broken, eg. the Jap. guy get shot but he doesn't wake up, so from then on shots are lethal? Well I guess not, because at the end everybody is fine after all.) Interestingly, the overall plot's tension, whether the act of Inception succeeds remained, but the action sequences just didn't work. The plot's overall tension worked for me exactly until they went into yet another dream/coma state called limbo, at which point I just lost interest. As PaulJoslin said, a much more effective film could have been built on these core ideas.
  - JadeNB 16y ago
    > In Inception, every action sequence was over in 30 seconds, with everything happening in a dream (death just means you wake up), so it removed what little tension these sequences carried. (But then sometimes the in-game rules were broken, eg. the Jap. guy get shot but he doesn't wake up, so from then on shots are lethal? Well I guess not, because at the end everybody is fine after all.) It's true that the rules are changed, but they're changed almost immediately; we have one encounter in a dream where we see that being killed means that you wake up, and this understanding is then taken away from us during the next dream (not counting the various tutorials). One may question the utility of a rule that is given only to be immediately taken away, but I believe that the point here was to make us feel the shock of the unexpected danger in which the characters found themselves—we are supposed to be shaken out of our complacency just as they are. The second point seems truly bizarre. I think it's fair to say that a large chunk of the ‘meaning’ of the movie is that we are left to wonder at the end whether we have reached a ‘real-life’ ending, or are still watching someone's dreams. The fact that everyone seems fine, despite the severe dangers that were advertised, is, from this point of view, not lazy story-telling but a way of making us uncomfortable with the easy answer of taking the ending literally.
napierzaza 16y ago
"For me, Nolan's dreamjacking caper was the film-going equivalent of sitting through a videogame that is all tutorial and no play." Are you kidding me? This movies is packed with all sorts of action, character development and general goings on! For a video game the action stops and you have to jump or counter 3 or 4 times to continue. At what point in Inception does the plot stop moving for more than 3 seconds? There is always something going on. Even when Ellen Paige is getting a tutorial in architecture (yeah, a tutorial in the movie) there is tension when the world starts reacting negatively. Exposition dones wrong does indeed sink movies and makes them boring. But you have to do it somehow, especially if it's a science fiction. Inception does it so, so well.
SandB0x 16y ago
Inception was boring. We all knew the basic setup before the movie, which is fine, but it spends ages explaining minor details like how balance/inner ear sensation is propagated down the levels, yet uses them inconsistently - they're not floating about the snow scene, for example. Yes, I realise these are Comic Book Guy criticisms. But it wasn't engaging. The dialogue was clichéd, the characters bland, and for a summer action movie it lacked a "crowning moment of awesome". More than anything though, it felt as if the writers took a good idea and tried to make it complicated (but not too complicated) without any real spark of inspiration. Apart from the reversal or deception going into the deepest level, they were just piling on the layers.
- JadeNB 16y ago
  > for a summer action movie it lacked a "crowning moment of awesome" Wow, the fight in the hotel hallway didn't do anything for you? For me, that topped anything I saw in a Wachowski brothers movie (I was literally gasping); it felt like a character expertly manipulating rules of physics that he could not manipulate, rather than simply ignoring the rules that were inconvenient.
  - JadeNB 16y ago
    (Err, sorry, “expertly manipulating rules … that he could not manipulate” is nonsense. I meant “expertly exploiting rules …”; but I can't edit that post any more.)
nazgulnarsil 16y ago
"blah blah blah, I'm hella smart but even I was confused." It was a hollywood movie, not Primer. Nolan had to explain everything well enough for mainstream audiences to get it. From my experience watching the film with several different groups of people, most of whom don't give a damn about sci-fi, he succeeded admirably.
gigafemtonano 16y ago
I went and saw Inception in Mountain View this weekend, and the group of older couples in front of us on the way out seemed to have gotten it. Come to think of it, they seemed like they really enjoyed it too. Maybe they were all NASA systems analysts.
bryanlarsen 16y ago
I think this criticism is right on, but he's got his conclusion backwards -- Inception is so awesome because it's exactly like the first few levels of a video game. Yes, tutorials in video games are boring, but the most interesting part of a video game to me is the "figuring it out" part. So I skip the tutorial and figure it out by failing miserably on the first "easy" level. Once I've done a few levels in the game, there's more "game" and less "new", so I move on to the next shiny new toy.
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kwamenum86 16y ago
I disagree with this review. I was told I had to pay close attention so I concentrated on every last detail (a rarity for me in movies) and was able to follow the movie pretty effortlessly. My girlfriend was able to do so with no such hint (but maybe she is a lot smarter than me.) This movie is a THINKER not unlike the mind-bender Primer, which almost certainly requires multiple viewings and a wiki page to fully grok. Understanding these movies is not supposed to be passive (giving you exactly what you need to know when you need to know it would enable you to be a passive viewer) and when the movie is over you're supposed to be thinking about what you just saw for more than 5 minutes and on more than a superficial level. This movie was very good at what it tried to do. It didn't get bogged down by in-depth explanation of the technology involved in dream-diving, didn't give us super complex character back-stories, and didn't overwhelm the user with technologies to that world. I felt we were provided with a set of basic building blocks (in the form of world-unique jargon) and then given a tour of a complex world based on these blocks - and it was damn cool. If it had tried to do more than his the movie would have gotten bogged down.
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liljimmytables 16y ago
I actually wrote a scathing reply to this, complaining that he'd seen a film, not enjoyed it, and rationalised his experience. Big logic fail. Who is he to say that having lots of exposition is not enjoyable? I enjoyed it. Sure, he's obviously got a bit of understanding about a subject and he's put it to good use in manipulating other people's thoughts, but that's just wrong. Then I realised I was getting upset about a blog entry, and thought: wait, no. This is how the internet works. People post their opinions on blogs, like-minded people (of which I am clearly not one in this case) will enjoy sharing with them. The fellow has opened my mind to another way of interpreting a story, another angle from which I can appreciate the work. And maybe by understanding his opinion I can reflect better on my own enjoyment. Then I thought a little harder. No, the internet works by ignorant people ranting against each other until they achieve a state of mutual indignation which overrides any basic logical thoughts they might have possibly had about the situation. It was at this point I wished I had not deleted my original post. Sorry internet, I have failed you.
nazgulnarsil 16y ago
well, regardless of other critiques, I think we can all agree that the snow level could have been something WAY COOLER than what it was. Levels 1 and 2 were so awesome that level 3 felt like a huge let down.

53 points by samstokes 16y ago

"In-game tutorials are both hugely important and difficult to pull off, and today's game-designers have gotten pretty clever about putting them together." Disagree heavily. Many of the most complicated games from the past had no tutorials, but people were still able to figure them out. Figuring out was part of the fun in fact. Most people I know simply ignore tutorials. And I can't blame them, because developers tend to be horrible at putting tutorials together. Most tutorials today start with the most basic things imaginable- moving your character and moving the camera. These things don't change from game to game. Only a very small number of modern games have tutorials worth playing.

mhansen 16y ago
Most new games I see have cleverly disguised the tutorial as the first few levels (probably because everyone skips them). Instead of explicitly introducing concepts, concepts are introduced in-game one by one. There's a gentle ramp-up, and the goal is to have the player unaware that they're playing a tutorial. It's very tricky to get the right balance between teaching and action in the first few levels. Examples of games where the tutorial is the first few levels (off the top of my head): Halo, Portal, Half Life 2
- raquo 16y ago
  In HL2 the tutorials are really great. First, there are a lot of mini-tutorials throughout the game with no instructions where you can not advance until you learn some easy skill - like breaking wood with crowbar, shooting a padlock to open a door, putting concrete blocks on a swing for it to rise, etc. Then, there are cases where you'd want to practice a skill before the using it in battle - like using Magnusson devices to hit striders. You get instructions and a chance to fire it seveal times to get a feeling of its trajectory without having to load the game a dozen times during the real battle.
arethuza 16y ago
I hardly ever play tutorials - mostly because they are really boring. However, I do have an 11 year old son - I usually learn games by having him explain to me the bare minimum of controller commands and learning as I go after that. If an 11 year old can't explain in 30 seconds enough to get me started in a game then I probably will get bored and go back to playing Halo 3 online.

marknutter 16y ago

I think Nolan struck a decent balance between ambiguity and exposition. The moments that were heavy with "tutorials" were still fun because of the visual effects, like when they were folding Paris. The OP forgets that the Matrix had plenty of exposition too. Not to mention, Nolan waits until the movie is well on its way before he starts to explain the rules of his universe. I think inceptions concepts are more complicated than the Matrix's, anyways.

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Tycho 16y ago

I'm pushing a lot of film criticisms onto my mind's stack of 'possibly groundless convictions' these days. I keep seeing complaints that a) a good film needs you to 'care' about the characters who must have 'emotional depth' through 'development' b) a good film should not be pre-occupied with 'exposition' or 'explaining' what is happening but... says who? They sound like half-baked ideas that arm-chair movie critics have internalized and regurgitate at the slightest opportunity. I was so much more interested in watching Nolan introduce more elegant but mind-bending ideas about the mechanics of recursive dreaming and then manifesting them with spectacular action scenes, than I was interested in the missing 'character development' milieu like watching the protagonist play with his kids, have a normal domestic argument with his wife, become a workaholic etc. etc. The characters explained their plans and problems because it made sense for them to do so (ie. it never felt contrived for the audience's sake), and the explanations in themselves were entertaining. Deeper thematic ideas were still tackled, like the central point of how the protagonist needed to untangle himself from his subconscious regrets/guilt before he was ready to have a real life with his children, just not in the usual sappy ways that we've seen thousands of times before. And I refuse to accept that the film was confusing -- yes there were a couple of details that we discussed on the way home from the cinema but satisfactory explanations were forthcoming. All films have details like that, with Inception they're more fun to figure out.

barrkel 16y ago
Different works of art engage the intellect at different levels, certainly. But the best work at multiple levels simultaneously. Sympathetic characters draw watchers deeper into the movie, at an emotional level, in a way that pure ideas cannot. Similarly, as a visual medium, showing things happening rather than explaining them has much more impact. Using dialogue (or worse, monologues) to explain something is weak storytelling; it's not making full use of the medium, and won't have the same impact as it could otherwise have. Other exposition techniques, like flashbacks, are often cheap - they can appear to make things momentous not because they're part of a story, but because they have some convenient echo in something jammed in precisely to deliver the echo. There's much more to good movie-making: lighting, cinematography, and especially the soundscape, as technical elements that both paint beautiful pictures, and draw the viewer into the "realism" of the scene portrayed, usually by subtly overemphasizing reality. They're definitely not half-baked ideas. Take Fight Club as a simple example. It's both about adrenaline-pumping aggression and destruction, and a critique of masculinity. If it was only the first, it would be mindless; if it was only the second, it would be dry and boring. By combining the two, you get both juicy entertainment, and food for thought for the masses. Making something properly entertaining - more entertaining for the average viewer than e.g. a philosophy textbook - needs more than just ideas.

gaius 16y ago

Actually I would say the opposite. The film wastes no time talking about how the dream-sharing technology works, there's no Star Trek style technobabble. The audience is simply presented with a world in which this technology is taken for granted, and straight on with the story.

PaulJoslin 16y ago
It's the fact it takes the relatively simple concept. 'We are exploring their dreams for data' and pushes it to a unnecessary level of complexity. A limbo state within a dream, within a dream, within a dream, (within a dream?). It reminded me of recursion in programming, waiting for it all to unwind. Not to mention all the rest of the things which just added to the complexity of the whole experience. Don't get me wrong, I enjoyed it and could follow the plot, but it constantly felt like it was adding complexity just for the sake of it, not necessarily improving the experience. I don't really understand why they had an entire training montage where she learnt to bend the world, experimented with physics, limits of dreams, even taught her some clever tricks such as 'penrose stairs'. Yet, when it came to her utilisation in the film, she was not seen to do anything? (I know she designed the levels, but ultimately her role in doing that seemed to be ignored. I was awaiting her to use her 'amazing skill' to do something great to help save the day.
mjac 16y ago
I went into the theatre not knowing what to expect. I left dumbstruck, somewhat in doubt of the world. What if I was three levels deep and this wasn't the real world? It was great seeing the viewers dazed, stepping tentatively towards the exit. Many of these ideas were presented in The Matrix but the "idea" of n-deep illusions was central to Inception. I appreciated the time multiplication, even given the 20x fast brain function bodge. Why were the acceleration changes only go one layer deep? Perhaps inner ear sensation (balance, acceleration) in the dreamer's world are the only modifiers. It doesn't matter, the construct produced intriguing new effects that I was pleased to experience. We should be arguing about interesting ramifications. Personally I'd like to believe that Mal was correct and Cobb was dreaming all through the film. The film reminds me of a couple of Red Dwarf books: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Better_Than_Life http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Better_Than_Life (especially) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Last_Human http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Last_Human These are definitely worth a read if you are interested in science fiction.

PaulJoslin 16y ago

This was exactly how I felt when I left the cinema. Although it was a good film, I felt the execution of the idea felt sloppy. It had promise to be truly amazing, but often purposely became confusing in the aim of seeming to be clever. I think in Inception they took things too far, multiple dream levels, weird limbo states, etc. They could've just built a far simpler movie and it would've flowed a lot better. It's comparable to software. Often the most enjoyable user experience is one with very few features executed extremely well. Compared to a piece of software with every single feature or idea plugged in, executed fairly sloppily. Inception was lucky it had a great core concept, cast and good effects to hold up for the on going confusion throughout the film. The comparison I feel is Matrix compared to Existence, where 'Existence' in this scenario is Inception.

Maro 16y ago
I agree with PaulJoslin's criticism. It was a good film, but I didn't think it was great, by the end I had a certain hollow feeling, same as I had after Dark Knight or Memento (not after Prestige). Like in DK, I felt that the plot was overcomplicated, there were too many dream layers, too much was going on. I also missed somewhat longer, continuous action sequences. In Inception, every action sequence was over in 30 seconds, with everything happening in a dream (death just means you wake up), so it removed what little tension these sequences carried. (But then sometimes the in-game rules were broken, eg. the Jap. guy get shot but he doesn't wake up, so from then on shots are lethal? Well I guess not, because at the end everybody is fine after all.) Interestingly, the overall plot's tension, whether the act of Inception succeeds remained, but the action sequences just didn't work. The plot's overall tension worked for me exactly until they went into yet another dream/coma state called limbo, at which point I just lost interest. As PaulJoslin said, a much more effective film could have been built on these core ideas.
- JadeNB 16y ago
  > In Inception, every action sequence was over in 30 seconds, with everything happening in a dream (death just means you wake up), so it removed what little tension these sequences carried. (But then sometimes the in-game rules were broken, eg. the Jap. guy get shot but he doesn't wake up, so from then on shots are lethal? Well I guess not, because at the end everybody is fine after all.) It's true that the rules are changed, but they're changed almost immediately; we have one encounter in a dream where we see that being killed means that you wake up, and this understanding is then taken away from us during the next dream (not counting the various tutorials). One may question the utility of a rule that is given only to be immediately taken away, but I believe that the point here was to make us feel the shock of the unexpected danger in which the characters found themselves—we are supposed to be shaken out of our complacency just as they are. The second point seems truly bizarre. I think it's fair to say that a large chunk of the ‘meaning’ of the movie is that we are left to wonder at the end whether we have reached a ‘real-life’ ending, or are still watching someone's dreams. The fact that everyone seems fine, despite the severe dangers that were advertised, is, from this point of view, not lazy story-telling but a way of making us uncomfortable with the easy answer of taking the ending literally.

napierzaza 16y ago

"For me, Nolan's dreamjacking caper was the film-going equivalent of sitting through a videogame that is all tutorial and no play." Are you kidding me? This movies is packed with all sorts of action, character development and general goings on! For a video game the action stops and you have to jump or counter 3 or 4 times to continue. At what point in Inception does the plot stop moving for more than 3 seconds? There is always something going on. Even when Ellen Paige is getting a tutorial in architecture (yeah, a tutorial in the movie) there is tension when the world starts reacting negatively. Exposition dones wrong does indeed sink movies and makes them boring. But you have to do it somehow, especially if it's a science fiction. Inception does it so, so well.

SandB0x 16y ago

Inception was boring. We all knew the basic setup before the movie, which is fine, but it spends ages explaining minor details like how balance/inner ear sensation is propagated down the levels, yet uses them inconsistently - they're not floating about the snow scene, for example. Yes, I realise these are Comic Book Guy criticisms. But it wasn't engaging. The dialogue was clichéd, the characters bland, and for a summer action movie it lacked a "crowning moment of awesome". More than anything though, it felt as if the writers took a good idea and tried to make it complicated (but not too complicated) without any real spark of inspiration. Apart from the reversal or deception going into the deepest level, they were just piling on the layers.

JadeNB 16y ago
> for a summer action movie it lacked a "crowning moment of awesome" Wow, the fight in the hotel hallway didn't do anything for you? For me, that topped anything I saw in a Wachowski brothers movie (I was literally gasping); it felt like a character expertly manipulating rules of physics that he could not manipulate, rather than simply ignoring the rules that were inconvenient.
- JadeNB 16y ago
  (Err, sorry, “expertly manipulating rules … that he could not manipulate” is nonsense. I meant “expertly exploiting rules …”; but I can't edit that post any more.)

nazgulnarsil 16y ago

"blah blah blah, I'm hella smart but even I was confused." It was a hollywood movie, not Primer. Nolan had to explain everything well enough for mainstream audiences to get it. From my experience watching the film with several different groups of people, most of whom don't give a damn about sci-fi, he succeeded admirably.

gigafemtonano 16y ago

I went and saw Inception in Mountain View this weekend, and the group of older couples in front of us on the way out seemed to have gotten it. Come to think of it, they seemed like they really enjoyed it too. Maybe they were all NASA systems analysts.

bryanlarsen 16y ago

I think this criticism is right on, but he's got his conclusion backwards -- Inception is so awesome because it's exactly like the first few levels of a video game. Yes, tutorials in video games are boring, but the most interesting part of a video game to me is the "figuring it out" part. So I skip the tutorial and figure it out by failing miserably on the first "easy" level. Once I've done a few levels in the game, there's more "game" and less "new", so I move on to the next shiny new toy.

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kwamenum86 16y ago

I disagree with this review. I was told I had to pay close attention so I concentrated on every last detail (a rarity for me in movies) and was able to follow the movie pretty effortlessly. My girlfriend was able to do so with no such hint (but maybe she is a lot smarter than me.) This movie is a THINKER not unlike the mind-bender Primer, which almost certainly requires multiple viewings and a wiki page to fully grok. Understanding these movies is not supposed to be passive (giving you exactly what you need to know when you need to know it would enable you to be a passive viewer) and when the movie is over you're supposed to be thinking about what you just saw for more than 5 minutes and on more than a superficial level. This movie was very good at what it tried to do. It didn't get bogged down by in-depth explanation of the technology involved in dream-diving, didn't give us super complex character back-stories, and didn't overwhelm the user with technologies to that world. I felt we were provided with a set of basic building blocks (in the form of world-unique jargon) and then given a tour of a complex world based on these blocks - and it was damn cool. If it had tried to do more than his the movie would have gotten bogged down.

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liljimmytables 16y ago

I actually wrote a scathing reply to this, complaining that he'd seen a film, not enjoyed it, and rationalised his experience. Big logic fail. Who is he to say that having lots of exposition is not enjoyable? I enjoyed it. Sure, he's obviously got a bit of understanding about a subject and he's put it to good use in manipulating other people's thoughts, but that's just wrong. Then I realised I was getting upset about a blog entry, and thought: wait, no. This is how the internet works. People post their opinions on blogs, like-minded people (of which I am clearly not one in this case) will enjoy sharing with them. The fellow has opened my mind to another way of interpreting a story, another angle from which I can appreciate the work. And maybe by understanding his opinion I can reflect better on my own enjoyment. Then I thought a little harder. No, the internet works by ignorant people ranting against each other until they achieve a state of mutual indignation which overrides any basic logical thoughts they might have possibly had about the situation. It was at this point I wished I had not deleted my original post. Sorry internet, I have failed you.

nazgulnarsil 16y ago

well, regardless of other critiques, I think we can all agree that the snow level could have been something WAY COOLER than what it was. Levels 1 and 2 were so awesome that level 3 felt like a huge let down.