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I don't have a complete answer right now, but I would consider the following ideas. * Can you deploy (not build) with a push of a button * Can you deploy the

I don't have a complete answer right now, but I would consider the following ideas. * Can you deploy (not build) with a push of a button * Can you deploy the same artifact to test, stage, prod, etc with no changes? * Can all developers easily check metrics and logs for production? * Can all developers access production? * Are servers pets or cattle? * Are developers allowed to choose the tools that best suit themselves? * Who gets paged? * What happens the day after page? * How is server config managed? * Are schema changes to the database automated? Obviously, these are not all yes/no questions and should be simplified, but it is what is on the top of my head. Some if it is based on the idea of a 12 factor app and on using immutable images (docker, amis, etc) and some is based on devops/sre models of working. For example, who gets paged and what happens the next day is all about process. Fixing and forgetting the issue is not acceptable.

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thehardsphere 9y ago
I think these are good questions, but I don't think they could replace the questions in the Joel Test because they're very specific to host-your-own-SaaS-product development. The Joel Test questions are applicable to pretty much any kind of software development someone could do.
olalonde 9y ago
> * Can all developers access production? That doesn't seem like a good idea...
toomanybeersies 9y ago
> Can all developers access production? I don't think that's necessarily a good idea, for various data disclosure, security, and safety reasons. In fact, I'd say that a better question would be if developers are able to diagnose and solve problems without having to access prod. For example, a company may have an anonymised copy or partial copy of prod for developers to work with.
- voska 9y ago
  It is when your CI process will prevent any breaking changes.

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thehardsphere 9y ago

I think these are good questions, but I don't think they could replace the questions in the Joel Test because they're very specific to host-your-own-SaaS-product development. The Joel Test questions are applicable to pretty much any kind of software development someone could do.

olalonde 9y ago

> * Can all developers access production? That doesn't seem like a good idea...

toomanybeersies 9y ago

> Can all developers access production? I don't think that's necessarily a good idea, for various data disclosure, security, and safety reasons. In fact, I'd say that a better question would be if developers are able to diagnose and solve problems without having to access prod. For example, a company may have an anonymised copy or partial copy of prod for developers to work with.

voska 9y ago
It is when your CI process will prevent any breaking changes.