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The problem is "we take care of people that need help" kind of ignores all of the jobs that were lost by off-shoring... How many manufacturing jobs has the US

The problem is "we take care of people that need help" kind of ignores all of the jobs that were lost by off-shoring... How many manufacturing jobs has the US lost due to competition in an open market with countries that don't have basic human rights (IE: Kids in sweat shops in various countries. The US doesn't make clothes anymore because we can't compete with those conditions.) You say "those people need jobs too"... but then ignore all the lost American jobs, reduction in American competitiveness (due to closed factories, outsourced skills, etc) and the various human rights issues that take place around the world. Am I simplifying things? Sure... but so are you... It is a greatly complicated problem - and, as you said, not a zero sum... but at the end of the day, I don't think it's "unfair" to care more about "us" than "them" as long as "they" don't have the same standards we do. I think there should be barriers that keep competition on a level playing field. 40 hour work week vs 40 hour work week. Basic human rights vs basic human rights. Pipe dream? of course... but I think that countries would improve themselves to have entry to our markets (and to have us allowed into theirs). And isn't that what you really want? Improvements all around? I'm just focused on different improvements (Here at home and then abroad) instead of your improvements (Improvements abroad and maybe someday improvements here)

selectodude 9y ago
>You say "those people need jobs too" No I didn't, the US taxpayer on aggregate saves more than enough to pay those people to live for the rest of their lives. >I don't think it's "unfair" to care more about "us" than "them" as long as "they" don't have the same standards we do. I don't. The US on aggregate gets as much, or more, benefits from off-shoring as the country who takes it on does. >Improvements abroad and maybe someday improvements here The sole reason there aren't an equal number of improvements here in the United States is due to regressive thinking that assumes that bringing the jobs back would be a net positive while simultaneously blaming anybody who's been left behind for not working hard enough. Like I said, this isn't zero sum.
- TheAdamAndChe 9y ago
  I don't think there are many people arguing that bringing jobs back would be a net positive. It's obvious that the rich are making tons of money off of this situation. I think the people arguing for bringing jobs back is so that quality of life can stop decreasing for the lower class and rural areas of the country that have been massively affected by globalization.

selectodude 9y ago

>You say "those people need jobs too" No I didn't, the US taxpayer on aggregate saves more than enough to pay those people to live for the rest of their lives. >I don't think it's "unfair" to care more about "us" than "them" as long as "they" don't have the same standards we do. I don't. The US on aggregate gets as much, or more, benefits from off-shoring as the country who takes it on does. >Improvements abroad and maybe someday improvements here The sole reason there aren't an equal number of improvements here in the United States is due to regressive thinking that assumes that bringing the jobs back would be a net positive while simultaneously blaming anybody who's been left behind for not working hard enough. Like I said, this isn't zero sum.

TheAdamAndChe 9y ago
I don't think there are many people arguing that bringing jobs back would be a net positive. It's obvious that the rich are making tons of money off of this situation. I think the people arguing for bringing jobs back is so that quality of life can stop decreasing for the lower class and rural areas of the country that have been massively affected by globalization.