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>China is evil I can only imagine that the Chinese middle-class feel the same way towards the USA. >Their democracy is even more of a joke than that of the US

>China is evil I can only imagine that the Chinese middle-class feel the same way towards the USA. >Their democracy is even more of a joke than that of the US I never understood the idea that democracy was a superior form of government. If, in the future, China (or some other nation) becomes the next world power, with superior scientific innovation, larger industry, higher standards of living, etc, will you still prefer Democracy to what they have? It seems incredibly naive to assume the present state of the west is somehow the final and ultimate condition we can hope to obtain. If this is as good as it gets, I think I want to move to China.

timthelion 9y ago
> I never understood the idea that democracy was a superior form of government. If, in the future, China (or some other nation) becomes the next world power, with superior scientific innovation, larger industry, higher standards of living, etc, will you still prefer Democracy to what they have? Well of course I would. Would you rather be married to a rich man who beats you? > It seems incredibly naive to assume the present state of the west is somehow the final and ultimate condition we can hope to obtain. If this is as good as it gets, I think I want to move to China. I am extremely sceptical of American "democracy" but I see Chinese totalitarianism to be a step in the wrong direction.
HillaryBriss 9y ago
freedom's just another word for nothing left to lose
jldugger 9y ago
> I can only imagine that the Chinese middle-class feel the same way towards the USA. Well, there's plenty of middle class in the US who think the Republican party and Trump is evil, so that sounds plausible. > I never understood the idea that democracy was a superior form of government. Winston Churchill quotes might be cliche, but still warranted. Democracy is superior in the sense that it provides a release valve for replacing incompetent or malicious government less catastrophic than peasant uprisings or Coup d'états. Fortunately, it's still an open question whether repressive regimes can become superior. Or whether repressive regimes will continue their repression as the population thrives. > I think I want to move to China. Voting with your feet -- What a very democratic idea!
- chibg10 9y ago
  > Voting with your feet -- What a very democratic idea! GP might want to consider that affluent Chinese (i.e. those with the means to) are trying leave China at record rates before he gets on a boat.
wbl 9y ago
In China the government will toss you in jail if you complain about pollution. There us no freedom of religion. State sponsored organ legging was widespread until recently. Who cares about an extra few thousand compared to freedom?
robotresearcher 9y ago
>> China is evil > I can only imagine that the Chinese middle-class feel the same way towards the USA. Is that why their kids go to US grad schools? For the evil?

timthelion 9y ago

> I never understood the idea that democracy was a superior form of government. If, in the future, China (or some other nation) becomes the next world power, with superior scientific innovation, larger industry, higher standards of living, etc, will you still prefer Democracy to what they have? Well of course I would. Would you rather be married to a rich man who beats you? > It seems incredibly naive to assume the present state of the west is somehow the final and ultimate condition we can hope to obtain. If this is as good as it gets, I think I want to move to China. I am extremely sceptical of American "democracy" but I see Chinese totalitarianism to be a step in the wrong direction.

HillaryBriss 9y ago

freedom's just another word for nothing left to lose

jldugger 9y ago

> I can only imagine that the Chinese middle-class feel the same way towards the USA. Well, there's plenty of middle class in the US who think the Republican party and Trump is evil, so that sounds plausible. > I never understood the idea that democracy was a superior form of government. Winston Churchill quotes might be cliche, but still warranted. Democracy is superior in the sense that it provides a release valve for replacing incompetent or malicious government less catastrophic than peasant uprisings or Coup d'états. Fortunately, it's still an open question whether repressive regimes can become superior. Or whether repressive regimes will continue their repression as the population thrives. > I think I want to move to China. Voting with your feet -- What a very democratic idea!

chibg10 9y ago
> Voting with your feet -- What a very democratic idea! GP might want to consider that affluent Chinese (i.e. those with the means to) are trying leave China at record rates before he gets on a boat.

wbl 9y ago

In China the government will toss you in jail if you complain about pollution. There us no freedom of religion. State sponsored organ legging was widespread until recently. Who cares about an extra few thousand compared to freedom?

robotresearcher 9y ago

>> China is evil > I can only imagine that the Chinese middle-class feel the same way towards the USA. Is that why their kids go to US grad schools? For the evil?