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> gratitude to the Americans who paid for the invention of all the drugs you enjoy Pharmaceutical companies are paid just as much per unit in Australia. It's j

> gratitude to the Americans who paid for the invention of all the drugs you enjoy Pharmaceutical companies are paid just as much per unit in Australia. It's just funded by the taxpayer, under the assumption that healthy people will eventually pay tax. > your country's persecution of homosexuals and aboriginals I dunno, we've only had one major race riot this century(six total on Wikipedia)[1], whereas the Wikipedia article for 'Mass racial violence in the United States' has eight in the same time period, and quite a few occurrences of 'This list is incomplete; you can help by expanding it.'[2] In terms of government action, we had a government apology(from the PM too, not just a motion passed) to the aboriginals before you had one to slaves(again, it wasn't done by a president). We haven't needed to apologise to slaves since they were either repatriated or properly integrated into society(again, one race riot this century). In terms of homosexuality, Australia has possibly 88 murders of this nature[3], and no Wikipedia article dedicated to it[4], with approximately 150 instances since 1969(including a few mass shootings, which are a uniquely American problem). There has been some recent anti-gay propaganda, but that's due to a public vote on gay marriage, which is the sort of thing that would inflame divisions. Somehow, the argument has been on the suitability of homosexuals to raise children, and the risk of religious freedoms being restricted by poorly written legislation. We haven't had any signs saying "god hates fags" though. I think Australia's doing pretty well. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racial_violence_in_Australia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racial_violence_in_Australia [2]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mass_racial_violence_in_the_United_States https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mass_racial_violence_in_the_Un... [3]https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/30/world/australia/australia-gay-men-killed-suicides-sydney.html https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/30/world/australia/australia... [4]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_violence_against_LGBT_people_in_the_United_States https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_violence_against_LG...

Mz 9y ago
Population of Australia: 24.13 million (2016) Population of USA: 323.1 million (2016) Population Density of Australia: 2 people per square mile Population Density of USA: 84 people per square mile, with much higher density in some areas. Your statistics are a little like saying "There sure are a lot more murders in the big city than in my small town!!!" If you aren't making any attempt to look at comparable data like per capita incidents, it is a classic case of how to lie with statistics (an excellent book, btw).
- pls2halp 9y ago
  That's true for the massive difference I was trying to show. Let's try to fix the stats, this shows somewhat smaller differences. The US has 192 rural inhabitants per thousand, as opposed to 176 for Australia.[1] Australia seems significantly more urbanised if anything. According to your logic, we should expect to see more hate crimes. That's not what happens though. Wikipedia's list of ethnic riots has 134 entries for the US(since 1857, as that's the first Australian entry(there's more US entries in the dedicated article)), and 8 for Australia. That's 0.41 per million in the US, against 0.33 per million in Australia. The modern population should be fine as an approximation. I'm going to insert mass shootings, because it's always fun to point this out. Wikipedia has 181 shootings worthy of articles[3], or 0.56 per million. Australia has 13[4], or 0.54 per million. As you've pointed out, Australia has a lower population, so this probably means that smaller shootings are worthy of articles. Removing shootings with less than 5 victims(which wouldn't have an article if they were American) gives us 7, or 0.30 per million. Going back to homosexuals, the US has 148 items in Wikipedia's "History of violence against LGBT people in the United States"[5], or 0.47 per million. Australia has 13 entries(and no dedicated page)[6], or 0.54 per million. I'd almost surrender that point, if Australia didn't have 100% less cults walking around shouting that god hates fags, and 100%(or 6) less mass shootings of homosexuals. Admittedly, I truncated all my numbers because I'm lazy. Sorry. [1]http://www.nationmaster.com/country-info/stats/People/Urban-and-rural/Rural-population-per-thousand-people http://www.nationmaster.com/country-info/stats/People/Urban-... [2]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ethnic_riots https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ethnic_riots [3]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Mass_shootings_in_the_United_States https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Mass_shootings_in_the... [4]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_massacres_in_Australia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_massacres_in_Australia [5]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_violence_against_LGBT_people_in_the_United_States https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_violence_against_LG... [6]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Significant_acts_of_violence_against_LGBT_people https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Significant_acts_of_violence_a...
  - Mz 9y ago
    According to your logic, we should expect to see more hate crimes. This amounts to putting words in my mouth. The only point I was making is that the stats you were citing were somewhat disingenuous in their framing. Your framing still comes across as poison pen material. I'm not arguing that the US has it all figured out. I have plenty of criticisms of my own country. But this kind of venom essentially makes your words hypocritical. It amounts to decrying the hatred here while being hateful.

Mz 9y ago

Population of Australia: 24.13 million (2016) Population of USA: 323.1 million (2016) Population Density of Australia: 2 people per square mile Population Density of USA: 84 people per square mile, with much higher density in some areas. Your statistics are a little like saying "There sure are a lot more murders in the big city than in my small town!!!" If you aren't making any attempt to look at comparable data like per capita incidents, it is a classic case of how to lie with statistics (an excellent book, btw).

pls2halp 9y ago
That's true for the massive difference I was trying to show. Let's try to fix the stats, this shows somewhat smaller differences. The US has 192 rural inhabitants per thousand, as opposed to 176 for Australia.[1] Australia seems significantly more urbanised if anything. According to your logic, we should expect to see more hate crimes. That's not what happens though. Wikipedia's list of ethnic riots has 134 entries for the US(since 1857, as that's the first Australian entry(there's more US entries in the dedicated article)), and 8 for Australia. That's 0.41 per million in the US, against 0.33 per million in Australia. The modern population should be fine as an approximation. I'm going to insert mass shootings, because it's always fun to point this out. Wikipedia has 181 shootings worthy of articles[3], or 0.56 per million. Australia has 13[4], or 0.54 per million. As you've pointed out, Australia has a lower population, so this probably means that smaller shootings are worthy of articles. Removing shootings with less than 5 victims(which wouldn't have an article if they were American) gives us 7, or 0.30 per million. Going back to homosexuals, the US has 148 items in Wikipedia's "History of violence against LGBT people in the United States"[5], or 0.47 per million. Australia has 13 entries(and no dedicated page)[6], or 0.54 per million. I'd almost surrender that point, if Australia didn't have 100% less cults walking around shouting that god hates fags, and 100%(or 6) less mass shootings of homosexuals. Admittedly, I truncated all my numbers because I'm lazy. Sorry. [1]http://www.nationmaster.com/country-info/stats/People/Urban-and-rural/Rural-population-per-thousand-people http://www.nationmaster.com/country-info/stats/People/Urban-... [2]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ethnic_riots https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ethnic_riots [3]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Mass_shootings_in_the_United_States https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Mass_shootings_in_the... [4]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_massacres_in_Australia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_massacres_in_Australia [5]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_violence_against_LGBT_people_in_the_United_States https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_violence_against_LG... [6]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Significant_acts_of_violence_against_LGBT_people https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Significant_acts_of_violence_a...
- Mz 9y ago
  According to your logic, we should expect to see more hate crimes. This amounts to putting words in my mouth. The only point I was making is that the stats you were citing were somewhat disingenuous in their framing. Your framing still comes across as poison pen material. I'm not arguing that the US has it all figured out. I have plenty of criticisms of my own country. But this kind of venom essentially makes your words hypocritical. It amounts to decrying the hatred here while being hateful.