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Surely the idea of overt, explicit labelling about the risks of using these devices is to create the possibility of competing brands using their better security

Surely the idea of overt, explicit labelling about the risks of using these devices is to create the possibility of competing brands using their better security/privacy as an advantage, and thus promote more secure and private products? I've long advocated the basic idea from the article here, but in a much more blunt way, with explicit warnings about the potential consequences: Identity theft is the fastest rising crime in COUNTRY. The average victim loses $X permanently and takes Y months to get their life back. THIS PRODUCT DOES NOT MEET PRIVACY STANDARD Z SO YOU ARE MORE LIKELY TO BECOME A VICTIM IF YOU USE IT. COMPETING PRODUCTS MAY BE AVAILABLE. (Or something along those lines. You get the idea.)

krapp 9y ago
>Surely the idea of overt, explicit labeling about the risks of using these devices is to create the possibility of competing brands using their better security/privacy as an advantage, and thus promote more secure and private products? Which is more likely, that companies will actually create more secure devices, or that companies will simply label their insecure devices as required knowing full well that most consumers will ignore the labels? How many people read the TOS for anything they sign up for? How many Hacker News users, who should know better, read the TOS of anything they sign up for? Do people stop smoking because we put cancer warnings on cigarettes? Some, maybe, but enough for cigarette makers to make their products healthier? It seems to me that the most likely result of labelling IoT devices would be to consumers and businesses to accept that lack of safety as an acceptable tradeoff for whatever features the device offers.
- Silhouette 9y ago
  Do people stop smoking because we put cancer warnings on cigarettes? It's hard to separate effects, but certainly here in the UK where we now have aggressive labelling restrictions on packets and visible displays in shops and strict limits on smoking in most public places, smoking seems to be much less of a problem than it used to be. In particular, culturally among younger generations, social smoking is no longer the norm in the way that perhaps it was for their parents or grandparents. I see no reason that similarly explicit labelling requirements for dangerous IoT devices couldn't help, particularly if also combined with restrictions on use in contexts that could affect others. Failing that, I personally have no problem with powerful regulations that pose an existential threat to businesses that are deliberately and flagrantly cavalier with security or privacy in the online era (and I write that as someone who is typically very cautious about regulatory over-reach and unintended consequences).
  - krapp 9y ago
    >I personally have no problem with powerful regulations that pose an existential threat to businesses that are deliberately and flagrantly cavalier with security or privacy in the online era (and I write that as someone who is typically very cautious about regulatory over-reach and unintended consequences). To me, that combined with a campaign of education and raising consumer awareness might be more effective.
    - Silhouette 9y ago
      Such a campaign would be helpful, I agree.

krapp 9y ago

>Surely the idea of overt, explicit labeling about the risks of using these devices is to create the possibility of competing brands using their better security/privacy as an advantage, and thus promote more secure and private products? Which is more likely, that companies will actually create more secure devices, or that companies will simply label their insecure devices as required knowing full well that most consumers will ignore the labels? How many people read the TOS for anything they sign up for? How many Hacker News users, who should know better, read the TOS of anything they sign up for? Do people stop smoking because we put cancer warnings on cigarettes? Some, maybe, but enough for cigarette makers to make their products healthier? It seems to me that the most likely result of labelling IoT devices would be to consumers and businesses to accept that lack of safety as an acceptable tradeoff for whatever features the device offers.

Silhouette 9y ago
Do people stop smoking because we put cancer warnings on cigarettes? It's hard to separate effects, but certainly here in the UK where we now have aggressive labelling restrictions on packets and visible displays in shops and strict limits on smoking in most public places, smoking seems to be much less of a problem than it used to be. In particular, culturally among younger generations, social smoking is no longer the norm in the way that perhaps it was for their parents or grandparents. I see no reason that similarly explicit labelling requirements for dangerous IoT devices couldn't help, particularly if also combined with restrictions on use in contexts that could affect others. Failing that, I personally have no problem with powerful regulations that pose an existential threat to businesses that are deliberately and flagrantly cavalier with security or privacy in the online era (and I write that as someone who is typically very cautious about regulatory over-reach and unintended consequences).
- krapp 9y ago
  >I personally have no problem with powerful regulations that pose an existential threat to businesses that are deliberately and flagrantly cavalier with security or privacy in the online era (and I write that as someone who is typically very cautious about regulatory over-reach and unintended consequences). To me, that combined with a campaign of education and raising consumer awareness might be more effective.
  - Silhouette 9y ago
    Such a campaign would be helpful, I agree.