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How would you test that? How many people would have to die in fires or slums before we consider the hypothesis "proven"?

Empact 16y ago
So we're banning this the avoid deaths-by-fire? Can you name a single example to justify the restraint? And if you could, wouldn't it apply to residences in general, not just those let out by their owners?
- anigbrowl 16y ago
  http://www.iklimnet.com/hotelfires/case.html http://www.iklimnet.com/hotelfires/case.html MGM Grand Hotel fire, 1980.
  - Empact 16y ago
    What does a fire in a hotel say about short-term rentals, which have more to do with homes & apts than hotels? Do horrific club fires (e.g. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LZx4i1TwZME http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LZx4i1TwZME) justify a ban on house parties? To restate: one of the justifications for regulating landlords is the possibility that they may offer unsuitable, even unsafe housing, in desperate circumstances. But where's the evidence that this is happening in the short-term rental market?
    - anigbrowl 16y ago
      I was giving a general example of the market not doing as good a job of protecting the public as regulation. Gathering statistics for short term home/apartment rentals would be rather tricky. But apartment fires seem a frequent enough occurrence: http://cbs5.com/local/fatal.fire.firefighters.2.1823700.html(girl http://cbs5.com/local/fatal.fire.firefighters.2.1823700.html... of 8 died in fire while family visiting relatives in San Jose); http://www.wtnh.com/dpp/news/fairfield_cty/dozens-displaced-in-stamford-apartment-fire http://www.wtnh.com/dpp/news/fairfield_cty/dozens-displaced-...; http://www.ksl.com/?nid=148&sid=11656807 http://www.ksl.com/?nid=148&sid=11656807; http://www.thedenverchannel.com/news/24388077/detail.html http://www.thedenverchannel.com/news/24388077/detail.html. I have no opinion on the relative dangers of fires to residents vs short-term visitors, nor am I saying that regulation of short-term lets is necessary. I posted only to respond to the general contention that the market makes safety regulation unnecessary or superfluous.
richcollins 16y ago
If people are afraid of unsafe rental conditions, they should rely on a trusted third party assessment of the safety of the room they plan to rent. How do you support the assumption that the government's assessment is more likely to be accurate than that of a private organization?

Empact 16y ago

So we're banning this the avoid deaths-by-fire? Can you name a single example to justify the restraint? And if you could, wouldn't it apply to residences in general, not just those let out by their owners?

anigbrowl 16y ago
http://www.iklimnet.com/hotelfires/case.html http://www.iklimnet.com/hotelfires/case.html MGM Grand Hotel fire, 1980.
- Empact 16y ago
  What does a fire in a hotel say about short-term rentals, which have more to do with homes & apts than hotels? Do horrific club fires (e.g. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LZx4i1TwZME http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LZx4i1TwZME) justify a ban on house parties? To restate: one of the justifications for regulating landlords is the possibility that they may offer unsuitable, even unsafe housing, in desperate circumstances. But where's the evidence that this is happening in the short-term rental market?
  - anigbrowl 16y ago
    I was giving a general example of the market not doing as good a job of protecting the public as regulation. Gathering statistics for short term home/apartment rentals would be rather tricky. But apartment fires seem a frequent enough occurrence: http://cbs5.com/local/fatal.fire.firefighters.2.1823700.html(girl http://cbs5.com/local/fatal.fire.firefighters.2.1823700.html... of 8 died in fire while family visiting relatives in San Jose); http://www.wtnh.com/dpp/news/fairfield_cty/dozens-displaced-in-stamford-apartment-fire http://www.wtnh.com/dpp/news/fairfield_cty/dozens-displaced-...; http://www.ksl.com/?nid=148&sid=11656807 http://www.ksl.com/?nid=148&sid=11656807; http://www.thedenverchannel.com/news/24388077/detail.html http://www.thedenverchannel.com/news/24388077/detail.html. I have no opinion on the relative dangers of fires to residents vs short-term visitors, nor am I saying that regulation of short-term lets is necessary. I posted only to respond to the general contention that the market makes safety regulation unnecessary or superfluous.

richcollins 16y ago

If people are afraid of unsafe rental conditions, they should rely on a trusted third party assessment of the safety of the room they plan to rent. How do you support the assumption that the government's assessment is more likely to be accurate than that of a private organization?