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Are there any networks like beaker that are not only distributed but also truly anonymous? There is no point in being peer to peer if you can't be anonymous as

Are there any networks like beaker that are not only distributed but also truly anonymous? There is no point in being peer to peer if you can't be anonymous as well. Well, there IS a point, like with the pro-catalonia websites, but it would be even more useful when you can be anonymous. Also, how secure is beaker? Are there any security audits?

ianopolous 9y ago
We are working towards that with Peergos [1][2]. Your username is public, but the network can't see your social connections, or your physical location. Note that this isn't true yet though, as we haven't started using Tor hidden services. [1] https://github.com/peergos/peergos https://github.com/peergos/peergos [2] https://peergos.org https://peergos.org
- staticvar 9y ago
  How is that different from Dat? https://docs.datproject.org/security https://docs.datproject.org/security
  - ianopolous 9y ago
    * Peergos is based on IPFS * Everything is encrypted at rest * We have fine grained capability-based access control * If I share a file with two people, they can't see that I've shared it with the other person * Access revocation with key rotation (on the same fine grained level) * Peergos is resistant to quantum computer based attacks (unshared files are already safe, and shared ones will be) * Peergos doesn't rely on out of band sharing of keys (we use TOFU on a publicly auditable append only PKI)
nerdponx 9y ago
Freenet and I2P both fit these criteria.
doublec 9y ago
Freenet is anonymous and is similar to DAT/IPFS. ZeroNet can be anonymous if you configure the node to always use Tor. In that configuration the node will spawn Tor onion sites to seed the ZeroNet sites.
pwang 9y ago
P2P and anonymity are orthogonal concerns. Maybe I want to peer-wise distribute content to well-known friends of mine, to whom I am well-known. Alternatively, perhaps I want to contribute an anonymous voice to a globally centralized conversation? There is even a third element which is missed by this false dichotomy, which is that "blanket anonymity" is not the same as "managing how much of my identity I want to reveal". Without the latter, you actually end up with a digital commons whose social dynamics asymptotically approach the chans or Youtube comments.

ianopolous 9y ago

We are working towards that with Peergos [1][2]. Your username is public, but the network can't see your social connections, or your physical location. Note that this isn't true yet though, as we haven't started using Tor hidden services. [1] https://github.com/peergos/peergos https://github.com/peergos/peergos [2] https://peergos.org https://peergos.org

staticvar 9y ago
How is that different from Dat? https://docs.datproject.org/security https://docs.datproject.org/security
- ianopolous 9y ago
  * Peergos is based on IPFS * Everything is encrypted at rest * We have fine grained capability-based access control * If I share a file with two people, they can't see that I've shared it with the other person * Access revocation with key rotation (on the same fine grained level) * Peergos is resistant to quantum computer based attacks (unshared files are already safe, and shared ones will be) * Peergos doesn't rely on out of band sharing of keys (we use TOFU on a publicly auditable append only PKI)

nerdponx 9y ago

Freenet and I2P both fit these criteria.

doublec 9y ago

Freenet is anonymous and is similar to DAT/IPFS. ZeroNet can be anonymous if you configure the node to always use Tor. In that configuration the node will spawn Tor onion sites to seed the ZeroNet sites.

pwang 9y ago

P2P and anonymity are orthogonal concerns. Maybe I want to peer-wise distribute content to well-known friends of mine, to whom I am well-known. Alternatively, perhaps I want to contribute an anonymous voice to a globally centralized conversation? There is even a third element which is missed by this false dichotomy, which is that "blanket anonymity" is not the same as "managing how much of my identity I want to reveal". Without the latter, you actually end up with a digital commons whose social dynamics asymptotically approach the chans or Youtube comments.