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and their use is purely optional.

Analemma_ 9y ago
Not true at all. Google and Facebook have a profile on you and track you all over the net even if you don't have an account with them.
pokemongoaway 9y ago
I don't understand why so many people feel the need to chime into conversations with these types of comments. "There's lots of rapes in these neighborhoods at night" -- well women don't need to be wearing suggestive clothes or walking around without males "There is illegal surveillance" -- well I don't have anything to hide "There are a bunch of companies who are arguably degrading the fabric of society" -- that's not my experience "A problem exists" -- it doesn't apply to every person
- Analemma_ 9y ago
  It's the Just World Fallacy again. People want to believe that if Facebook and Google have done something bad to you, that it must somehow be your fault.
- nnfy 9y ago
  You really can't compare being spied on while using a private social network to being raped in public.
  - pokemongoaway 9y ago
    Direct comparisons aren't the only reason why words appear next to each other...
- closeparen 9y ago
  People who organize self-righteous outrage mobs to ban whatever is "degrading the fabric of society" this week have a habit of doing more damage to society than whatever it was you thought you were protecting it from. When self-righteous outrage mobs believe they have moral authority and are drumming up support for authoritarian interventions is when it's most important to challenge them forcefully. Even if an intervention is necessary in the end, it should be the product of a healthy debate and not an outrage mob railroading through its initial whims.
  - musage 9y ago
    How is "but it's optional" a forceful challenge or a healthy debate?
    - closeparen 9y ago
      It isn't - it's lazy and inarticulate - but pokemongoaway is complaining about the general theme of people challenging the scope or severity of a problem. There is a pretty significant difference between "$villian is doing $bad_thing to people" and "$villian is providing people the option to do $bad_thing to themselves and they are taking it." That's worth pointing out, particularly when $bad_thing is to read opposition news.
      - musage 9y ago
        It's nowhere near that clear cut. http://www.radiohamburg.de/Nachrichten/Deutschland-und-die-Welt/Panorama/2017/Oktober/Es-ist-wieder-soweit-Langenscheidt-kuert-das-Jugendwort-2017 http://www.radiohamburg.de/Nachrichten/Deutschland-und-die-W... One of the "unwords" nominated for 2017 is "sozialtot". That's "socially dead" as a synonym for not having a Facebook account. As for Google, when everybody has their email at google I can craft my packets by hand, Google will still slurp them up. But oh, it's all optional, that goes without saying so it has to be said all the damn time. > particularly when $bad_thing is to read opposition news. You don't even know if "and their use is purely optional." refers to even one word more than the headline. If it does, you don't get to pick and chose that conveniently. The article also contains sentences such as > All of them are making decisions about who gets a digital megaphone and who should be unplugged from the web. Where does people doing something to themselves even figure into that? We're still at that part where someone blamed the victim and you're contorting to excuse that as something noble at heart, if lazy and inarticulate.
    - pokemongoaway 9y ago
      Exactly, unwillingness to engage in proper debate is more of an authoritarian strategy than my line or questioning.

Not true at all. Google and Facebook have a profile on you and track you all over the net even if you don't have an account with them.

pokemongoaway 9y ago

I don't understand why so many people feel the need to chime into conversations with these types of comments. "There's lots of rapes in these neighborhoods at night" -- well women don't need to be wearing suggestive clothes or walking around without males "There is illegal surveillance" -- well I don't have anything to hide "There are a bunch of companies who are arguably degrading the fabric of society" -- that's not my experience "A problem exists" -- it doesn't apply to every person

Analemma_ 9y ago
It's the Just World Fallacy again. People want to believe that if Facebook and Google have done something bad to you, that it must somehow be your fault.
nnfy 9y ago
You really can't compare being spied on while using a private social network to being raped in public.
- pokemongoaway 9y ago
  Direct comparisons aren't the only reason why words appear next to each other...
closeparen 9y ago
People who organize self-righteous outrage mobs to ban whatever is "degrading the fabric of society" this week have a habit of doing more damage to society than whatever it was you thought you were protecting it from. When self-righteous outrage mobs believe they have moral authority and are drumming up support for authoritarian interventions is when it's most important to challenge them forcefully. Even if an intervention is necessary in the end, it should be the product of a healthy debate and not an outrage mob railroading through its initial whims.
- musage 9y ago
  How is "but it's optional" a forceful challenge or a healthy debate?
  - closeparen 9y ago
    It isn't - it's lazy and inarticulate - but pokemongoaway is complaining about the general theme of people challenging the scope or severity of a problem. There is a pretty significant difference between "$villian is doing $bad_thing to people" and "$villian is providing people the option to do $bad_thing to themselves and they are taking it." That's worth pointing out, particularly when $bad_thing is to read opposition news.
    - musage 9y ago
      It's nowhere near that clear cut. http://www.radiohamburg.de/Nachrichten/Deutschland-und-die-Welt/Panorama/2017/Oktober/Es-ist-wieder-soweit-Langenscheidt-kuert-das-Jugendwort-2017 http://www.radiohamburg.de/Nachrichten/Deutschland-und-die-W... One of the "unwords" nominated for 2017 is "sozialtot". That's "socially dead" as a synonym for not having a Facebook account. As for Google, when everybody has their email at google I can craft my packets by hand, Google will still slurp them up. But oh, it's all optional, that goes without saying so it has to be said all the damn time. > particularly when $bad_thing is to read opposition news. You don't even know if "and their use is purely optional." refers to even one word more than the headline. If it does, you don't get to pick and chose that conveniently. The article also contains sentences such as > All of them are making decisions about who gets a digital megaphone and who should be unplugged from the web. Where does people doing something to themselves even figure into that? We're still at that part where someone blamed the victim and you're contorting to excuse that as something noble at heart, if lazy and inarticulate.
  - pokemongoaway 9y ago
    Exactly, unwillingness to engage in proper debate is more of an authoritarian strategy than my line or questioning.