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This is not an apples to apples comparison. The slaves were already in the US. Illegal immigrants are not. I don't see much arguments from the right that it's

by gspetr 9y ago

This is not an apples to apples comparison. The slaves were already in the US. Illegal immigrants are not. I don't see much arguments from the right that it's the blacks and not illegal immigrants who are driving down wages, given the fact that black unemployment has gone WAAAAY up since the 50s. Black teenagers had a better employment rate than white teenagers back in the day.

Spooky23 9y ago
Sorry, but you’re dead wrong on this. The US and its predecessor colonies imported slaves by the shipload well into the 19th century. You can literally go back to the original Virginia colony, where the landowners didn’t like the high costs and turnover (due to malaria and AWOL) of indentured servants from England. So they started importing African slaves, who didn’t need to be paid, didn’t have a term contract, and often were resistant to malaria. They started having problems with slaves escaping and joining up with frontier communities of former or escaped indentured servants. That's where the racial supremacy stuff started -- to keep people at odds and under control. The illegal immigrant issue isn't the same, but isn't totally different either. There's a demand for cheap labor without normal labor protections, and demand for life outside of third world countries.
- gspetr 9y ago
  > African slaves, who didn’t need to be paid, didn’t have a term contract, and often were resistant to malaria. You still needed to pay someone to guard them and feed them. According to Larry Elder only 5% of whites in the US today can trace their lineage to slave owners. Majority of whites migrated into the country after the slavery. And even with regards to whites owning slaves, most only owned 1 or 2 because they were expensive, plantation owners were the ones who owned majority of slaves.

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This is not an apples to apples comparison. The slaves were already in the US. Illegal immigrants are not. I don't see much arguments from the right that it's

by gspetr 9y ago

Spooky23 9y ago
Sorry, but you’re dead wrong on this. The US and its predecessor colonies imported slaves by the shipload well into the 19th century. You can literally go back to the original Virginia colony, where the landowners didn’t like the high costs and turnover (due to malaria and AWOL) of indentured servants from England. So they started importing African slaves, who didn’t need to be paid, didn’t have a term contract, and often were resistant to malaria. They started having problems with slaves escaping and joining up with frontier communities of former or escaped indentured servants. That's where the racial supremacy stuff started -- to keep people at odds and under control. The illegal immigrant issue isn't the same, but isn't totally different either. There's a demand for cheap labor without normal labor protections, and demand for life outside of third world countries.
- gspetr 9y ago
  > African slaves, who didn’t need to be paid, didn’t have a term contract, and often were resistant to malaria. You still needed to pay someone to guard them and feed them. According to Larry Elder only 5% of whites in the US today can trace their lineage to slave owners. Majority of whites migrated into the country after the slavery. And even with regards to whites owning slaves, most only owned 1 or 2 because they were expensive, plantation owners were the ones who owned majority of slaves.