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i partially agree. e.g. public sector labor unions in Los Angeles have succeeded at maintaining high wages and great benefits for themselves. but when you say

i partially agree. e.g. public sector labor unions in Los Angeles have succeeded at maintaining high wages and great benefits for themselves. but when you say the solution "isn't to clamp down on the supply" i lose the thread of your argument. clamping down on the supply is exactly what a public sector union does. union work rules and other union-favorable city regulations exclude or limit non-union workers who might otherwise be hired to carry out various city functions. working for the city or the department of water and power can be a very good deal for the worker, but city residents pay more in taxes and see less service as a result. merely unionizing the labor force helps some people but hurts others. indeed, a case can be made that, because police officers are so highly paid and benefitted, they are scarce. and because they are scarce, there's more property crime, and murder, than there would be otherwise. it seems quite plausible that some city residents pay a very high price because of this public sector unionization. in politics, this leads to a strategy wherein city residents who live in "electorally unimportant" areas (i.e. poor areas with lower voter turnout) receive lower levels of government service than city residents in areas that vote a lot.

s73ver_ 9y ago
"but when you say the solution "isn't to clamp down on the supply" i lose the thread of your argument." I've not seen an example of this. And I do not consider being a member of the union to be clamping down.
- HillaryBriss 9y ago
  here's an example: in LA a large number of electrical power poles are at end of life and need replacement. but the city is slowed by union rules in efforts to contract this work out to take advantage of the labor force at large: One key obstacle, officials say, is the contract with DWP’s largest union, IBEW Local 18. The agreement requires that managers negotiate with the International Brotherhood of Electrical Workers before hiring contractors. Initially, the department is supposed to attempt to fill any internal vacant positions, Howard said. The contract also obligates managers to offer IBEW workers overtime to fill some of the need. IBEW business manager Brian D’Arcy declined to be interviewed for this story. from: http://www.dailynews.com/2014/05/06/dwp-lagging-behind-on-replacing-old-power-poles-87000-have-exceeded-their-lifespan/ http://www.dailynews.com/2014/05/06/dwp-lagging-behind-on-re...

s73ver_ 9y ago

"but when you say the solution "isn't to clamp down on the supply" i lose the thread of your argument." I've not seen an example of this. And I do not consider being a member of the union to be clamping down.

HillaryBriss 9y ago
here's an example: in LA a large number of electrical power poles are at end of life and need replacement. but the city is slowed by union rules in efforts to contract this work out to take advantage of the labor force at large: One key obstacle, officials say, is the contract with DWP’s largest union, IBEW Local 18. The agreement requires that managers negotiate with the International Brotherhood of Electrical Workers before hiring contractors. Initially, the department is supposed to attempt to fill any internal vacant positions, Howard said. The contract also obligates managers to offer IBEW workers overtime to fill some of the need. IBEW business manager Brian D’Arcy declined to be interviewed for this story. from: http://www.dailynews.com/2014/05/06/dwp-lagging-behind-on-replacing-old-power-poles-87000-have-exceeded-their-lifespan/ http://www.dailynews.com/2014/05/06/dwp-lagging-behind-on-re...