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Did you just "white privilege" and undercover citizen trying to expose Nazi's ~80 years ago because he was shocked at how widespread support was? Your point is

Did you just "white privilege" and undercover citizen trying to expose Nazi's ~80 years ago because he was shocked at how widespread support was? Your point is that if he'd been black he wouldn't have been shocked by Nazi support?

flachsechs 9y ago
i didn't make any of those points, but you just did, and then ascribed them to me, which is pretty typical of online discussions. it's called a straw-man argument. the reason it's so widespread is it's so easy to do. all you have to do is come up with a bunch of stuff you dislike, and then accuse me of being/doing that stuff. and there's nothing i can really do about it, because these ideas exist only in your head, not mine.
ZeroGravitas 9y ago
Well, I find it unlikely that a Chinese, Mexican or African-American would have been surprised that a high ranking law enforcement officer was openly supportive of the people terrorising their communities in those days. To be honest I'm a little surprised that a Jewish person would be that naive either, particularly a lawyer that helped found the ADL.
okreallywtf 9y ago
Do you disagree that being white, on average, causes one to be less exposed to racism? I don't think that is a particularly radical concept. I also think that being a male, on average, causes one to be less directly exposed to cat-calling and other everyday-sexism. Do you take offense at my suggestion of male privilege?
- merpnderp 9y ago
  On average? You going to measure that in a lab and show me your margin of error, or is this now a political discussion? And "male privilege" is dumb. Measure it - show me your science. Otherwise I'll think about how many men die on the job versus women, how women receive more lenient sentences for the same crime, or how women now receive the majority of degrees, and a women who never has kids or marries, will make significantly more money over her life than a similar man, and I think "Weird, it's like biology strangely enough, affects our culture in all sorts of crazy ways that having nothing to do with some nut job conspiracy theory about male patriarchy."
  - okreallywtf 9y ago
    Cool, thats about what I expected but I wanted to make sure before I put much time into an argument. Good to see you aren't a hypocrite and provide sources for your highly specific claims as well.
    - gspetr 9y ago
      1)Male Deaths: http://articles.latimes.com/1995-08-04/business/fi-31566_1_workplace-deaths http://articles.latimes.com/1995-08-04/business/fi-31566_1_w... 2)Female sentences: https://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/09/11/men-women-prison-sentence-length-gender-gap_n_1874742.html https://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/09/11/men-women-prison-s... 3)Women get more degrees: https://www.cbsnews.com/news/in-a-first-women-surpass-men-in-college-degrees/ https://www.cbsnews.com/news/in-a-first-women-surpass-men-in... 4)Never married women earn more: http://www.politifact.com/punditfact/statements/2014/apr/09/genevieve-wood/what-pay-gap-young-women-out-earn-men-cities-gop-p/ http://www.politifact.com/punditfact/statements/2014/apr/09/... Everything above is (somewhat) common knowledge. Notice how I picked mostly progressive liberal publications as initial sources, to avoid right-wing partisanship bias. I don't want to come across as condescending, but were you honestly questioning the parent poster's assertions?
      - okreallywtf 9y ago
        No actually I expected those were more than likely correct or at least supportable, I was being snide because the parent poster was being an ass about simple analogy. >On average? You going to measure that in a lab and show me your margin of error, or is this now a political discussion? Is he fucking serious? We're talking about Nazi's, of course its political. If someone is seriously going to demand laboratory tests on catcalling, that screams totally out of touch mens-rights "activist" to me. Not only that, I was making an analogy and he had to dredge up whataboutisms that have nothing to do with the conversation occurring. Before this becomes an issue of why I'm not talking about men being catcalled, anecdotally speaking I don't know if I've ever known any men (even the most handsome people I know) to get yelled at by passing cars, told to smile more at professional conferences etc. I'm not saying it never happens because I'm sure it does but its an issue that disproportionately affects women just like nazi's are an issue that disproportionately affects minorities. Claiming that its white-privilegey to say that minorities might be more aware of nazi/neo-nazi roots in America is needlessly defensive (and he had to be the one to say white-privilege, which is like Popeye spinach for angry white men I'm convinced). Yes, minorities are going to be more aware of nazi's in America because they are targeted by them. I'll try to put a think-tank of the worlds best minds together to study these revolutionary claims I'm making.

flachsechs 9y ago

i didn't make any of those points, but you just did, and then ascribed them to me, which is pretty typical of online discussions. it's called a straw-man argument. the reason it's so widespread is it's so easy to do. all you have to do is come up with a bunch of stuff you dislike, and then accuse me of being/doing that stuff. and there's nothing i can really do about it, because these ideas exist only in your head, not mine.

ZeroGravitas 9y ago

Well, I find it unlikely that a Chinese, Mexican or African-American would have been surprised that a high ranking law enforcement officer was openly supportive of the people terrorising their communities in those days. To be honest I'm a little surprised that a Jewish person would be that naive either, particularly a lawyer that helped found the ADL.

okreallywtf 9y ago

Do you disagree that being white, on average, causes one to be less exposed to racism? I don't think that is a particularly radical concept. I also think that being a male, on average, causes one to be less directly exposed to cat-calling and other everyday-sexism. Do you take offense at my suggestion of male privilege?

merpnderp 9y ago
On average? You going to measure that in a lab and show me your margin of error, or is this now a political discussion? And "male privilege" is dumb. Measure it - show me your science. Otherwise I'll think about how many men die on the job versus women, how women receive more lenient sentences for the same crime, or how women now receive the majority of degrees, and a women who never has kids or marries, will make significantly more money over her life than a similar man, and I think "Weird, it's like biology strangely enough, affects our culture in all sorts of crazy ways that having nothing to do with some nut job conspiracy theory about male patriarchy."
- okreallywtf 9y ago
  Cool, thats about what I expected but I wanted to make sure before I put much time into an argument. Good to see you aren't a hypocrite and provide sources for your highly specific claims as well.
  - gspetr 9y ago
    1)Male Deaths: http://articles.latimes.com/1995-08-04/business/fi-31566_1_workplace-deaths http://articles.latimes.com/1995-08-04/business/fi-31566_1_w... 2)Female sentences: https://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/09/11/men-women-prison-sentence-length-gender-gap_n_1874742.html https://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/09/11/men-women-prison-s... 3)Women get more degrees: https://www.cbsnews.com/news/in-a-first-women-surpass-men-in-college-degrees/ https://www.cbsnews.com/news/in-a-first-women-surpass-men-in... 4)Never married women earn more: http://www.politifact.com/punditfact/statements/2014/apr/09/genevieve-wood/what-pay-gap-young-women-out-earn-men-cities-gop-p/ http://www.politifact.com/punditfact/statements/2014/apr/09/... Everything above is (somewhat) common knowledge. Notice how I picked mostly progressive liberal publications as initial sources, to avoid right-wing partisanship bias. I don't want to come across as condescending, but were you honestly questioning the parent poster's assertions?
    - okreallywtf 9y ago
      No actually I expected those were more than likely correct or at least supportable, I was being snide because the parent poster was being an ass about simple analogy. >On average? You going to measure that in a lab and show me your margin of error, or is this now a political discussion? Is he fucking serious? We're talking about Nazi's, of course its political. If someone is seriously going to demand laboratory tests on catcalling, that screams totally out of touch mens-rights "activist" to me. Not only that, I was making an analogy and he had to dredge up whataboutisms that have nothing to do with the conversation occurring. Before this becomes an issue of why I'm not talking about men being catcalled, anecdotally speaking I don't know if I've ever known any men (even the most handsome people I know) to get yelled at by passing cars, told to smile more at professional conferences etc. I'm not saying it never happens because I'm sure it does but its an issue that disproportionately affects women just like nazi's are an issue that disproportionately affects minorities. Claiming that its white-privilegey to say that minorities might be more aware of nazi/neo-nazi roots in America is needlessly defensive (and he had to be the one to say white-privilege, which is like Popeye spinach for angry white men I'm convinced). Yes, minorities are going to be more aware of nazi's in America because they are targeted by them. I'll try to put a think-tank of the worlds best minds together to study these revolutionary claims I'm making.