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if every white american spent a week as another race, i don't think a single one would be 'shocked' or 'flabbergasted' about any of this.

js2 9y ago
http://galactanet.com/oneoff/theegg_mod.html http://galactanet.com/oneoff/theegg_mod.html
kevmo 9y ago
I wish "Black Like Me" were mandatory reading in public schools: Black Like Me, first published in 1961, is a nonfiction book by white journalist John Howard Griffin recounting his journey in the Deep South of the United States, at a time when African-Americans lived under Racial Segregation. Griffin was a native of Dallas, Texas, who had his skin temporarily darkened to pass as a black man. He traveled for six weeks throughout the racially segregated states of Louisiana, Mississippi, Alabama, Arkansas, and Georgia to explore life from the other side of the color line. It's short and fascinating. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Like_Me https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Like_Me
- ibn_ibid 9y ago
  or...you could read something written by an actual black person?
merpnderp 9y ago
Did you just "white privilege" and undercover citizen trying to expose Nazi's ~80 years ago because he was shocked at how widespread support was? Your point is that if he'd been black he wouldn't have been shocked by Nazi support?
- flachsechs 9y ago
  i didn't make any of those points, but you just did, and then ascribed them to me, which is pretty typical of online discussions. it's called a straw-man argument. the reason it's so widespread is it's so easy to do. all you have to do is come up with a bunch of stuff you dislike, and then accuse me of being/doing that stuff. and there's nothing i can really do about it, because these ideas exist only in your head, not mine.
- ZeroGravitas 9y ago
  Well, I find it unlikely that a Chinese, Mexican or African-American would have been surprised that a high ranking law enforcement officer was openly supportive of the people terrorising their communities in those days. To be honest I'm a little surprised that a Jewish person would be that naive either, particularly a lawyer that helped found the ADL.
- okreallywtf 9y ago
  Do you disagree that being white, on average, causes one to be less exposed to racism? I don't think that is a particularly radical concept. I also think that being a male, on average, causes one to be less directly exposed to cat-calling and other everyday-sexism. Do you take offense at my suggestion of male privilege?
  - merpnderp 9y ago
    On average? You going to measure that in a lab and show me your margin of error, or is this now a political discussion? And "male privilege" is dumb. Measure it - show me your science. Otherwise I'll think about how many men die on the job versus women, how women receive more lenient sentences for the same crime, or how women now receive the majority of degrees, and a women who never has kids or marries, will make significantly more money over her life than a similar man, and I think "Weird, it's like biology strangely enough, affects our culture in all sorts of crazy ways that having nothing to do with some nut job conspiracy theory about male patriarchy."
    - okreallywtf 9y ago
      Cool, thats about what I expected but I wanted to make sure before I put much time into an argument. Good to see you aren't a hypocrite and provide sources for your highly specific claims as well.
      - gspetr 9y ago
        1)Male Deaths: http://articles.latimes.com/1995-08-04/business/fi-31566_1_workplace-deaths http://articles.latimes.com/1995-08-04/business/fi-31566_1_w... 2)Female sentences: https://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/09/11/men-women-prison-sentence-length-gender-gap_n_1874742.html https://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/09/11/men-women-prison-s... 3)Women get more degrees: https://www.cbsnews.com/news/in-a-first-women-surpass-men-in-college-degrees/ https://www.cbsnews.com/news/in-a-first-women-surpass-men-in... 4)Never married women earn more: http://www.politifact.com/punditfact/statements/2014/apr/09/genevieve-wood/what-pay-gap-young-women-out-earn-men-cities-gop-p/ http://www.politifact.com/punditfact/statements/2014/apr/09/... Everything above is (somewhat) common knowledge. Notice how I picked mostly progressive liberal publications as initial sources, to avoid right-wing partisanship bias. I don't want to come across as condescending, but were you honestly questioning the parent poster's assertions?
cabaalis 9y ago
You're on this site, so I hope you recognize the stereotyping and assumptions of character in your statement. I am white, ~25% Filipino also, but light skinned so historically I have been taken as a white male. I'm not shocked or flabbergasted at all by this because I am an American and part of our laws that we hold very dear allows us to publicly espouse views that are repugnant. I heard the speaker saying terrible things about Jews, which no thinking person would ever support. I did not hear him inciting or suggesting attacks against them though, which would be illegal. At one point someone tried to rush the stage, though we don't know his motivations. That person was beaten, which should have resulted in the arrests of everyone involved. Other than that, he can say or think whatever he wants to say or think. When he raises his hand or asks another to do so against a fellow human being is where the line is crossed.
- sangnoir 9y ago
  > At one point someone tried to rush the stage, though we don't know his motivations. That person was beaten, which should have resulted in the arrests of everyone involved. The person who rushed the stage was Isadore Greenbaum. All he did was shout "Down with Hitler!" and knock down a microphone[1]. He was the only one arrested and was further charged with disorderly conduct[1]. None of his assailants were charged or arrested. 1. http://www.historynet.com/made-in-america-americans-in-support-of-the-nazi-cause.htm http://www.historynet.com/made-in-america-americans-in-suppo...
  - KekDemaga 9y ago
    Could a reasonable person think that he intended to harm someone on the stage? If so that was the correct legal outcome no matter how unfortunate.
    - sangnoir 9y ago
      I made no judgement - I merely stated the facts.
- flachsechs 9y ago
  read my post again carefully. my point is actually that _no_ non-white american people would be shocked. i'm not really talking about white people at all, because obviously there are some who would be and wouldn't be shocked at widespread racism by white people. this is a subtle point that you are missing, which is ironic because you are 25% asian, i imagine you have seen quite a bit of anti-asian racism (it's just a joke bro! don't you love being the butt of jokes? who doesn't love that!) from white people because they have no idea you have asian family. and i'll just pre-empt your next point: i'm not saying only white poeple can be racist, that's obviously not the case if you've ever been overseas, and anti-white racism also happens a lot in america. i'll generalize my point for you, so that you may understand: no person of a minority race would be shocked that the majority race harbors a not-insignificant subpopulation with vehement racist views against other races. if every single majority race were to spend a week as a minority, that would likely dispel any notions they had of the contrary. ^ this works for all races.

js2 9y ago

http://galactanet.com/oneoff/theegg_mod.html http://galactanet.com/oneoff/theegg_mod.html

kevmo 9y ago

I wish "Black Like Me" were mandatory reading in public schools: Black Like Me, first published in 1961, is a nonfiction book by white journalist John Howard Griffin recounting his journey in the Deep South of the United States, at a time when African-Americans lived under Racial Segregation. Griffin was a native of Dallas, Texas, who had his skin temporarily darkened to pass as a black man. He traveled for six weeks throughout the racially segregated states of Louisiana, Mississippi, Alabama, Arkansas, and Georgia to explore life from the other side of the color line. It's short and fascinating. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Like_Me https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Like_Me

ibn_ibid 9y ago
or...you could read something written by an actual black person?

merpnderp 9y ago

Did you just "white privilege" and undercover citizen trying to expose Nazi's ~80 years ago because he was shocked at how widespread support was? Your point is that if he'd been black he wouldn't have been shocked by Nazi support?

flachsechs 9y ago
i didn't make any of those points, but you just did, and then ascribed them to me, which is pretty typical of online discussions. it's called a straw-man argument. the reason it's so widespread is it's so easy to do. all you have to do is come up with a bunch of stuff you dislike, and then accuse me of being/doing that stuff. and there's nothing i can really do about it, because these ideas exist only in your head, not mine.
ZeroGravitas 9y ago
Well, I find it unlikely that a Chinese, Mexican or African-American would have been surprised that a high ranking law enforcement officer was openly supportive of the people terrorising their communities in those days. To be honest I'm a little surprised that a Jewish person would be that naive either, particularly a lawyer that helped found the ADL.
okreallywtf 9y ago
Do you disagree that being white, on average, causes one to be less exposed to racism? I don't think that is a particularly radical concept. I also think that being a male, on average, causes one to be less directly exposed to cat-calling and other everyday-sexism. Do you take offense at my suggestion of male privilege?
- merpnderp 9y ago
  On average? You going to measure that in a lab and show me your margin of error, or is this now a political discussion? And "male privilege" is dumb. Measure it - show me your science. Otherwise I'll think about how many men die on the job versus women, how women receive more lenient sentences for the same crime, or how women now receive the majority of degrees, and a women who never has kids or marries, will make significantly more money over her life than a similar man, and I think "Weird, it's like biology strangely enough, affects our culture in all sorts of crazy ways that having nothing to do with some nut job conspiracy theory about male patriarchy."
  - okreallywtf 9y ago
    Cool, thats about what I expected but I wanted to make sure before I put much time into an argument. Good to see you aren't a hypocrite and provide sources for your highly specific claims as well.
    - gspetr 9y ago
      1)Male Deaths: http://articles.latimes.com/1995-08-04/business/fi-31566_1_workplace-deaths http://articles.latimes.com/1995-08-04/business/fi-31566_1_w... 2)Female sentences: https://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/09/11/men-women-prison-sentence-length-gender-gap_n_1874742.html https://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/09/11/men-women-prison-s... 3)Women get more degrees: https://www.cbsnews.com/news/in-a-first-women-surpass-men-in-college-degrees/ https://www.cbsnews.com/news/in-a-first-women-surpass-men-in... 4)Never married women earn more: http://www.politifact.com/punditfact/statements/2014/apr/09/genevieve-wood/what-pay-gap-young-women-out-earn-men-cities-gop-p/ http://www.politifact.com/punditfact/statements/2014/apr/09/... Everything above is (somewhat) common knowledge. Notice how I picked mostly progressive liberal publications as initial sources, to avoid right-wing partisanship bias. I don't want to come across as condescending, but were you honestly questioning the parent poster's assertions?

cabaalis 9y ago

You're on this site, so I hope you recognize the stereotyping and assumptions of character in your statement. I am white, ~25% Filipino also, but light skinned so historically I have been taken as a white male. I'm not shocked or flabbergasted at all by this because I am an American and part of our laws that we hold very dear allows us to publicly espouse views that are repugnant. I heard the speaker saying terrible things about Jews, which no thinking person would ever support. I did not hear him inciting or suggesting attacks against them though, which would be illegal. At one point someone tried to rush the stage, though we don't know his motivations. That person was beaten, which should have resulted in the arrests of everyone involved. Other than that, he can say or think whatever he wants to say or think. When he raises his hand or asks another to do so against a fellow human being is where the line is crossed.

sangnoir 9y ago
> At one point someone tried to rush the stage, though we don't know his motivations. That person was beaten, which should have resulted in the arrests of everyone involved. The person who rushed the stage was Isadore Greenbaum. All he did was shout "Down with Hitler!" and knock down a microphone[1]. He was the only one arrested and was further charged with disorderly conduct[1]. None of his assailants were charged or arrested. 1. http://www.historynet.com/made-in-america-americans-in-support-of-the-nazi-cause.htm http://www.historynet.com/made-in-america-americans-in-suppo...
- KekDemaga 9y ago
  Could a reasonable person think that he intended to harm someone on the stage? If so that was the correct legal outcome no matter how unfortunate.
  - sangnoir 9y ago
    I made no judgement - I merely stated the facts.
flachsechs 9y ago
read my post again carefully. my point is actually that _no_ non-white american people would be shocked. i'm not really talking about white people at all, because obviously there are some who would be and wouldn't be shocked at widespread racism by white people. this is a subtle point that you are missing, which is ironic because you are 25% asian, i imagine you have seen quite a bit of anti-asian racism (it's just a joke bro! don't you love being the butt of jokes? who doesn't love that!) from white people because they have no idea you have asian family. and i'll just pre-empt your next point: i'm not saying only white poeple can be racist, that's obviously not the case if you've ever been overseas, and anti-white racism also happens a lot in america. i'll generalize my point for you, so that you may understand: no person of a minority race would be shocked that the majority race harbors a not-insignificant subpopulation with vehement racist views against other races. if every single majority race were to spend a week as a minority, that would likely dispel any notions they had of the contrary. ^ this works for all races.