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A hard fork with no replay protection, which means that legacy systems which do not upgrade will be vulnerable to sending too much money to third parties. The e

by tfha 9y ago

A hard fork with no replay protection, which means that legacy systems which do not upgrade will be vulnerable to sending too much money to third parties. The ethereum devs have chosen to introduce a vulnerability that forces people to upgrade their systems. 4 days! This announcement was made 4 days before the fork is introduced??? Everyone in the whole ecosystem has 4 days to upgrade it be exposed to a vulnerability. If you are running special code or your own client, you have to adjust it for a new block reward, a new script primitive, a difficulty algorithm, and stuff they are literally calling mathemagic. I don't see how this is responsible development.

Hermel 9y ago
Maybe it is not responsible, but it is certainly agile. :)
g09980 9y ago
FWIW this has been a long while in the making and not a surprise to anyone
redbeard0x0a 9y ago
We have known about this Hard Fork has been coming for months now. It has been discussed all over the place. This isn't a Hard Fork like the Bitcoin / Bitcoin Cash fork (or Ether Classic). This is the expected change to the network to release new features and another step towards PoS.
cko 9y ago
I believe the hard fork was a known thing in the community for a while now. I had wanted to jump on the ETH hype train and almost bought a bunch but these planned forks make the platform seem very “centralized.”
- DennisP 9y ago
  In some ways it's less centralized than Bitcoin, since there are multiple independent clients, written in different languages. The teams are just good at cooperating. As with other blockchains, forks don't happen unless users go along with them.
luka-birsa 9y ago
Oh come on. Stop FUDing. 1. The fact that there is a hard fork coming has been known for months if not years. 2. Developers have notified the community well in advance and content of the hardfork has been discussed with all key players (ex: reward and difficulty bomb). 3. The development decisions are public as is the process - try searching for live streams of developer meetings where Vitalik and others discuss direction in very democratic fashion. I'm not even interested in those and I came across - funny that you're not aware of the existence. There is a stark contrast between Eth and BTC where constant bickering is the norm.
Cakez0r 9y ago
> Also, this hardfork seems to have been decided behind closed doors. Where is the mailing list discussion? Where did community members have a chance to raise concerns? https://github.com/ethereum/EIPs https://github.com/ethereum/EIPs https://github.com/ethereum/pm/tree/master/All%20Core%20Devs%20Meetings https://github.com/ethereum/pm/tree/master/All%20Core%20Devs... These changes should be no surprise to anyone who's made any effort at all to follow Ethereum development.
heliumcraft 9y ago
- This update was announced almost 2 years ago from the very beginning - Multiple Discussions in EIPs - Multiple public dev meetings, with youtube recordings, discussions, etc..
barkingcat 9y ago
It is only a 4 day announcement to you because you chose not to be informed. This change has been discussed and announced for months and development on the features have been planned and discussed for even longer than that. Just because you chose to not read the announcements doesn't mean it wasn't announced.
- tfha 9y ago
  As a user of a piece of infrastructure, I shouldn't have to read Reddit every morning to figure out what's going on. Just like I don't need to follow closely ipv4 development, smtp development, etc. I'm certain that I'm not the only user who is surprised that the hard fork is only 4 days away.
  - DennisP 9y ago
    Running a node is more like running an email server, rather than just using email. If you're running a server you should keep up with things. If, say, you use a hardware wallet and MyEtherWallet to issue your transactions, then you don't have any updates to make.
  - zodiac 9y ago
    How would you have preferred to be informed about the fork?

by tfha 9y ago

Hermel 9y ago

Maybe it is not responsible, but it is certainly agile. :)

g09980 9y ago

FWIW this has been a long while in the making and not a surprise to anyone

redbeard0x0a 9y ago

We have known about this Hard Fork has been coming for months now. It has been discussed all over the place. This isn't a Hard Fork like the Bitcoin / Bitcoin Cash fork (or Ether Classic). This is the expected change to the network to release new features and another step towards PoS.

cko 9y ago

I believe the hard fork was a known thing in the community for a while now. I had wanted to jump on the ETH hype train and almost bought a bunch but these planned forks make the platform seem very “centralized.”

DennisP 9y ago
In some ways it's less centralized than Bitcoin, since there are multiple independent clients, written in different languages. The teams are just good at cooperating. As with other blockchains, forks don't happen unless users go along with them.

luka-birsa 9y ago

Oh come on. Stop FUDing. 1. The fact that there is a hard fork coming has been known for months if not years. 2. Developers have notified the community well in advance and content of the hardfork has been discussed with all key players (ex: reward and difficulty bomb). 3. The development decisions are public as is the process - try searching for live streams of developer meetings where Vitalik and others discuss direction in very democratic fashion. I'm not even interested in those and I came across - funny that you're not aware of the existence. There is a stark contrast between Eth and BTC where constant bickering is the norm.

Cakez0r 9y ago

> Also, this hardfork seems to have been decided behind closed doors. Where is the mailing list discussion? Where did community members have a chance to raise concerns? https://github.com/ethereum/EIPs https://github.com/ethereum/EIPs https://github.com/ethereum/pm/tree/master/All%20Core%20Devs%20Meetings https://github.com/ethereum/pm/tree/master/All%20Core%20Devs... These changes should be no surprise to anyone who's made any effort at all to follow Ethereum development.

heliumcraft 9y ago

- This update was announced almost 2 years ago from the very beginning - Multiple Discussions in EIPs - Multiple public dev meetings, with youtube recordings, discussions, etc..

barkingcat 9y ago

It is only a 4 day announcement to you because you chose not to be informed. This change has been discussed and announced for months and development on the features have been planned and discussed for even longer than that. Just because you chose to not read the announcements doesn't mean it wasn't announced.

tfha 9y ago
As a user of a piece of infrastructure, I shouldn't have to read Reddit every morning to figure out what's going on. Just like I don't need to follow closely ipv4 development, smtp development, etc. I'm certain that I'm not the only user who is surprised that the hard fork is only 4 days away.
- DennisP 9y ago
  Running a node is more like running an email server, rather than just using email. If you're running a server you should keep up with things. If, say, you use a hardware wallet and MyEtherWallet to issue your transactions, then you don't have any updates to make.
- zodiac 9y ago
  How would you have preferred to be informed about the fork?