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The article is based on research done by an archeologist at a university who wasn't looking for evidence of Arabic culture. The research hasn't yet concluded an

The article is based on research done by an archeologist at a university who wasn't looking for evidence of Arabic culture. The research hasn't yet concluded anything. What do you base your statement on? Your gut?

demonshalo 9y ago
As a Swede I can tell you that whatever research comes out of these institutions will be biased. These institutions suffer to a large degree of self-hatred due to some nasty shit that they've contributed to over the years. For that reason, they try to always publish crap like in order to champion diversity and deny their vicious history. It's basically like how Germans react to their history with Hitler. Merkel had no choice but to welcome Islam as a part of German Society and find post-facto justification for it in order for her not to be seen as "repeating the mistakes of the past". Douglas Murray called it "The True Legacy of Hitler" and it is present in Sweden as well. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Statens_institut_f%C3%B6r_rasbiologi https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Statens_institut_f%C3%B6r_rasb... Edit: I am not saying that these findings are fake, but rather that these institutions are not as credible as you might think they are when it comes to think kind of topic. Politics drives the discourse in most of them, not science!
- nostromo123 9y ago
  You are right, despite the downvotes. Ironically, Hitler's Germany had many common ties with Islam, an aspect that now is conveniently swept under the carpet. A grotesque side effect of this is that the "diverse" society Germany is getting with the increase in migration from Muslim countries comes with a sharp increase in antisemitism. The migrants are often very open about their opinions regarding Jews and admiration for Hitler.
- Brakenshire 9y ago
  What is there to be credible or otherwise about? It's a geometric pattern which symbolizes Ali (of Shia) and the Islamic god, in a piece of fabric traded to the Vikings. The research even says it was likely an incorrect copy done by a second party of the original design from the Islamic world. That is interesting in the context of trade and cultural links, but is in itself exceptionally uncontroversial.
  - demonshalo 9y ago
    > That is interesting in the context of trade and cultural links, but is in itself exceptionally uncontroversial. Exactly. It is more than likely that something like this is the result of trade. However, the way the narrative is built around "findings" like these by professors in the departments of said universities is something completely different.
coldtea 9y ago
Usually for those kind of things, it doesn't have to be the research per se. Instead, it's which findings are promoted more in the media, and which are left obscure -- and that's often based on political decisions, what's popular (and can attract grants), and what fits certain narratives (sometimes nationalistic, sometimes globalist, whichever pays better at any given time).
nostromo123 9y ago
"archeologist at a university who wasn't looking for evidence of Arabic culture" What evidence is there for this statement, if I may play devil's advocate for a moment?

demonshalo 9y ago

As a Swede I can tell you that whatever research comes out of these institutions will be biased. These institutions suffer to a large degree of self-hatred due to some nasty shit that they've contributed to over the years. For that reason, they try to always publish crap like in order to champion diversity and deny their vicious history. It's basically like how Germans react to their history with Hitler. Merkel had no choice but to welcome Islam as a part of German Society and find post-facto justification for it in order for her not to be seen as "repeating the mistakes of the past". Douglas Murray called it "The True Legacy of Hitler" and it is present in Sweden as well. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Statens_institut_f%C3%B6r_rasbiologi https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Statens_institut_f%C3%B6r_rasb... Edit: I am not saying that these findings are fake, but rather that these institutions are not as credible as you might think they are when it comes to think kind of topic. Politics drives the discourse in most of them, not science!

nostromo123 9y ago
You are right, despite the downvotes. Ironically, Hitler's Germany had many common ties with Islam, an aspect that now is conveniently swept under the carpet. A grotesque side effect of this is that the "diverse" society Germany is getting with the increase in migration from Muslim countries comes with a sharp increase in antisemitism. The migrants are often very open about their opinions regarding Jews and admiration for Hitler.
Brakenshire 9y ago
What is there to be credible or otherwise about? It's a geometric pattern which symbolizes Ali (of Shia) and the Islamic god, in a piece of fabric traded to the Vikings. The research even says it was likely an incorrect copy done by a second party of the original design from the Islamic world. That is interesting in the context of trade and cultural links, but is in itself exceptionally uncontroversial.
- demonshalo 9y ago
  > That is interesting in the context of trade and cultural links, but is in itself exceptionally uncontroversial. Exactly. It is more than likely that something like this is the result of trade. However, the way the narrative is built around "findings" like these by professors in the departments of said universities is something completely different.

coldtea 9y ago

Usually for those kind of things, it doesn't have to be the research per se. Instead, it's which findings are promoted more in the media, and which are left obscure -- and that's often based on political decisions, what's popular (and can attract grants), and what fits certain narratives (sometimes nationalistic, sometimes globalist, whichever pays better at any given time).

nostromo123 9y ago

"archeologist at a university who wasn't looking for evidence of Arabic culture" What evidence is there for this statement, if I may play devil's advocate for a moment?