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This sounds like the most hypocrytical thing to do. Killing dozens of plans just to keep one small plant alive. Rainforests are being destroyed to mine differe

This sounds like the most hypocrytical thing to do. Killing dozens of plans just to keep one small plant alive. Rainforests are being destroyed to mine different metals. We need oil to create plastics. Coal is burned to generate electricity to run factories. After your devices were made in Asia, they must be transported across the globe on huge ships burning diesel fuel. People are ready to sacrifice such ecological damage just to have a small toy in their apartment. I hope that you realise, that having a small plant has no contribution to the environment.

Quarrelsome 9y ago
don't start with the moral consistency, you'll just make yourself sad. Its not really possible to live in the modern world and be consistent like that. Almost every act you do here destroys the planet. To remain ethically consistent requires either living on a kibbutz or an incredible depth of research about every aspect of your existence that consumes so much of your time that you become drastically less efficient then the people that don't care and drastically outnumber you. For example: every time you take time out to save remember the student flat my brother once lived in where they didn't bother de-frosting the freezer and just left it open, forever trying to freeze the world. We try to save water in our house yet three doors down the guy who washes his car leaves his hose running for ~30 minutes every now and then. How can I hate the people of the world that do that when its permitted as a norm? When the developing world has a burgeoning population poised to make those same mistakes again? Its a very sad problem of scale. I'm not saying don't try, more just try not to mad at people when our culture enables it so. Let this person have their silly blog. The problems are so fundamental in our society that this represents some of the least harm. We should focus on regulation and culture instead. For example the 40% of food waste that the EU practices is an example of an institutional problem worth the effort because the gains are immense.
- IvanK_net 9y ago
  I am not saying that you should kill yourself to preserve the environment :D But the question is if each act, that you do and destroys a planet, is really worth it. I think, that governments currently don't give it an adequate attention by creating proper laws, so it is up to people to think about it. Here in the EU, you have to pay for the electricity and for the water, so people are not keeping freezers or taps open. You have to pay for the food as well, I never heard about your 40 %.
  - Quarrelsome 9y ago
    The 40% is to keep supermarkets stocked. Isn't it weird that in supermarkets you can always get what you want? That availability MEANS that there is a huge amount of waste because when someone doesn't buy it, it spoils (this is why France passed the law to force supermarkets to give food to the homeless). The 40% was from an EU report into it a couple of years ago. AFAIK we still (we definitely used to do this, not sure if we still do) dump excess agricultural output into the freaking ocean as opposed to crashing the international markets by dumping our surplus there. All of that waste is INSANE. It doesn't matter if you have to pay for electricity and water because you can easily earn enough money to leave both the lights and taps on all day. That doesn't make it right. The point is that if we start calling other people hypocrites that road leads to the realisation that everyone in the west is a degree of hypocrite. We're in this together to a greater or lesser extent.
    - IvanK_net 9y ago
      I expected you to show me a link to this 40%. I guess it is the food that is not even harvested from fields. I realy doubt that 40% of food in the supermarkets is thrown away. It does matter a lot if electricity and water is free. It would be wasted much more if it was free. I think it is important to call people hypocrits to make them think about what they do. We are in this together, so we must explain stuff to one another.
      - lemondrops 9y ago
        https://ec.europa.eu/food/safety/food_waste/stop_en https://ec.europa.eu/food/safety/food_waste/stop_en
      - Quarrelsome 9y ago
        I think pot is calling kettle black. Its a shade and its worth remembering that when we tut we are tutting at someone being worse than us as opposed to them being bad and us good. We're all bad though. Its up to you whether you want to believe me or not, you have access to Google. We do apparently waste up to 40% and IIRC it was a pretty official report. You don't even need to verify it though, its logical, just think about the process of supermarket food availability. The design of that process is both bourgeois and wasteful by design. We eat fruit and vegetables OUT OF SEASON all year round. Its weird if a supermarket doesn't have what we want in stock. We have black rubbish bins. Just think about all of that and realise that as a society we're inherently wasteful. If we genuinely cared then we wouldn't live in a world like we do.
kleptako 9y ago
"there is no ethical consumption under capitalism"

Quarrelsome 9y ago

don't start with the moral consistency, you'll just make yourself sad. Its not really possible to live in the modern world and be consistent like that. Almost every act you do here destroys the planet. To remain ethically consistent requires either living on a kibbutz or an incredible depth of research about every aspect of your existence that consumes so much of your time that you become drastically less efficient then the people that don't care and drastically outnumber you. For example: every time you take time out to save remember the student flat my brother once lived in where they didn't bother de-frosting the freezer and just left it open, forever trying to freeze the world. We try to save water in our house yet three doors down the guy who washes his car leaves his hose running for ~30 minutes every now and then. How can I hate the people of the world that do that when its permitted as a norm? When the developing world has a burgeoning population poised to make those same mistakes again? Its a very sad problem of scale. I'm not saying don't try, more just try not to mad at people when our culture enables it so. Let this person have their silly blog. The problems are so fundamental in our society that this represents some of the least harm. We should focus on regulation and culture instead. For example the 40% of food waste that the EU practices is an example of an institutional problem worth the effort because the gains are immense.

IvanK_net 9y ago
I am not saying that you should kill yourself to preserve the environment :D But the question is if each act, that you do and destroys a planet, is really worth it. I think, that governments currently don't give it an adequate attention by creating proper laws, so it is up to people to think about it. Here in the EU, you have to pay for the electricity and for the water, so people are not keeping freezers or taps open. You have to pay for the food as well, I never heard about your 40 %.
- Quarrelsome 9y ago
  The 40% is to keep supermarkets stocked. Isn't it weird that in supermarkets you can always get what you want? That availability MEANS that there is a huge amount of waste because when someone doesn't buy it, it spoils (this is why France passed the law to force supermarkets to give food to the homeless). The 40% was from an EU report into it a couple of years ago. AFAIK we still (we definitely used to do this, not sure if we still do) dump excess agricultural output into the freaking ocean as opposed to crashing the international markets by dumping our surplus there. All of that waste is INSANE. It doesn't matter if you have to pay for electricity and water because you can easily earn enough money to leave both the lights and taps on all day. That doesn't make it right. The point is that if we start calling other people hypocrites that road leads to the realisation that everyone in the west is a degree of hypocrite. We're in this together to a greater or lesser extent.
  - IvanK_net 9y ago
    I expected you to show me a link to this 40%. I guess it is the food that is not even harvested from fields. I realy doubt that 40% of food in the supermarkets is thrown away. It does matter a lot if electricity and water is free. It would be wasted much more if it was free. I think it is important to call people hypocrits to make them think about what they do. We are in this together, so we must explain stuff to one another.
    - lemondrops 9y ago
      https://ec.europa.eu/food/safety/food_waste/stop_en https://ec.europa.eu/food/safety/food_waste/stop_en
    - Quarrelsome 9y ago
      I think pot is calling kettle black. Its a shade and its worth remembering that when we tut we are tutting at someone being worse than us as opposed to them being bad and us good. We're all bad though. Its up to you whether you want to believe me or not, you have access to Google. We do apparently waste up to 40% and IIRC it was a pretty official report. You don't even need to verify it though, its logical, just think about the process of supermarket food availability. The design of that process is both bourgeois and wasteful by design. We eat fruit and vegetables OUT OF SEASON all year round. Its weird if a supermarket doesn't have what we want in stock. We have black rubbish bins. Just think about all of that and realise that as a society we're inherently wasteful. If we genuinely cared then we wouldn't live in a world like we do.

kleptako 9y ago

"there is no ethical consumption under capitalism"