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Many of automation ideas here bring an edge to one person at the expense of everyone else. The ideas fail completely if too many people start doing the same thi

Many of automation ideas here bring an edge to one person at the expense of everyone else. The ideas fail completely if too many people start doing the same thing. Actual examples from people on this list: - User pokes immigration website repeatedly to submit his application as soon as the site starts accepting. Obviously if everyone did the same thing, no one would benefit. The thing that needs fixing is an immigration system based (partly on) quotas and first come, first serve. - User automates sending amorous messages to his girlfriend, so long as she doesn't know they're automated. If enough people did it, girlfriends would eventually find out and the desired effect would be lost (or worse, they'd feel tricked). - User automates saving of all store coupons to his loyalty card without ever looking at the coupon. This defeats the idea of coupons (to encourage you to try something you would not have otherwise bought). If everyone did it, coupons would cease to exist. - User automates getting into desired university class by hammering the registration site repeatedly. Needless to say, if everyone started doing the same thing, no one would benefit. - User automated complaining to the water utility about a problem in front of his house. Once again, it might work for one person, but becomes completely ineffective if everyone does it for problems in front of their houses. - User automated late delivery complaints to post office to get compensation. If his script becomes too widely used, the monopoly post office will simply raise prices or stop offering compensation.

chrismorgan 9y ago
> - User automates saving of all store coupons to his loyalty card without ever looking at the coupon. This defeats the idea of coupons (to encourage you to try something you would not have otherwise bought). If everyone did it, coupons would cease to exist. That sounds like success to me, though not everyone will agree. > - User automates getting into desired university class by hammering the registration site repeatedly. Needless to say, if everyone started doing the same thing, no one would benefit. This was circumventing a bad process; people would benefit if everyone did it, because it would demonstrate a need for a better process. > - User automated complaining to the water utility about a problem in front of his house. Once again, it might work for one person, but becomes completely ineffective if everyone does it for problems in front of their houses. If everyone does it then perhaps they’ll fix things—or admit defeat and stop giving people false hope by allowing them to report such things when they have no intention of doing anything about it. > - User automated late delivery complaints to post office to get compensation. If his script becomes too widely used, the monopoly post office will simply raise prices or stop offering compensation. Or, just maybe, fix it. One can always hope.
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jackweirdy 9y ago
The end result of the immigration one is just the H1B system, where loads of checks turn up at the state departments door one day
grenoire 9y ago
Well, this is exactly how financial markets function and why it's so hard to beat the market. I think these people deserve the benefits if they can come up with these solutions; none of them are inherently malicious after all.
Grustaf 9y ago
>if everyone started doing the same thing, no one would benefit That is true, but I don't think anyone is claiming to make the world better. The question was more how individuals improve their situation, gaining a competitive edge if you will. That will always come at the cost of others, but in this case the hacks are really things almost anyone can do, so it's hard to object on moral grounds.
- eaandkw2 9y ago
  That isn't always true. If everyone started eating healthier and started exercising the world would benefit from a smaller demand of health care. If everyone stopped polluting the environment would be cleaner. I think what is being talked about is something along the lines of if everyone became a minimalist then most people would be out of a job.
vijayr 9y ago
If there is a bug/inefficiency to be exploited, someone will. Not having coupons/loyalty cards is a good thing. Hammering the immigration website, hammering the university website etc might end up improving the process (hopefully?) that is also a good thing. In a larger context, how is this different from using one's good looks, parents' connections etc to get an edge over others?
chaostheory 9y ago
> Many of automation ideas here bring an edge to one person at the expense of everyone else. Except for mine. it’s a win / win when people hang out together
elyrly 9y ago
Some of those are boarder line DDoS

chrismorgan 9y ago

> - User automates saving of all store coupons to his loyalty card without ever looking at the coupon. This defeats the idea of coupons (to encourage you to try something you would not have otherwise bought). If everyone did it, coupons would cease to exist. That sounds like success to me, though not everyone will agree. > - User automates getting into desired university class by hammering the registration site repeatedly. Needless to say, if everyone started doing the same thing, no one would benefit. This was circumventing a bad process; people would benefit if everyone did it, because it would demonstrate a need for a better process. > - User automated complaining to the water utility about a problem in front of his house. Once again, it might work for one person, but becomes completely ineffective if everyone does it for problems in front of their houses. If everyone does it then perhaps they’ll fix things—or admit defeat and stop giving people false hope by allowing them to report such things when they have no intention of doing anything about it. > - User automated late delivery complaints to post office to get compensation. If his script becomes too widely used, the monopoly post office will simply raise prices or stop offering compensation. Or, just maybe, fix it. One can always hope.

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jackweirdy 9y ago

The end result of the immigration one is just the H1B system, where loads of checks turn up at the state departments door one day

grenoire 9y ago

Well, this is exactly how financial markets function and why it's so hard to beat the market. I think these people deserve the benefits if they can come up with these solutions; none of them are inherently malicious after all.

Grustaf 9y ago

>if everyone started doing the same thing, no one would benefit That is true, but I don't think anyone is claiming to make the world better. The question was more how individuals improve their situation, gaining a competitive edge if you will. That will always come at the cost of others, but in this case the hacks are really things almost anyone can do, so it's hard to object on moral grounds.

eaandkw2 9y ago
That isn't always true. If everyone started eating healthier and started exercising the world would benefit from a smaller demand of health care. If everyone stopped polluting the environment would be cleaner. I think what is being talked about is something along the lines of if everyone became a minimalist then most people would be out of a job.

vijayr 9y ago

If there is a bug/inefficiency to be exploited, someone will. Not having coupons/loyalty cards is a good thing. Hammering the immigration website, hammering the university website etc might end up improving the process (hopefully?) that is also a good thing. In a larger context, how is this different from using one's good looks, parents' connections etc to get an edge over others?

chaostheory 9y ago

> Many of automation ideas here bring an edge to one person at the expense of everyone else. Except for mine. it’s a win / win when people hang out together

elyrly 9y ago

Some of those are boarder line DDoS