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I understand the plight and I think that has certainly occurred in some instances, however, in reaching the ideal, the importance seems to be inclusiveness yet

by alehul 9y ago

I understand the plight and I think that has certainly occurred in some instances, however, in reaching the ideal, the importance seems to be inclusiveness yet straightforwardness in purpose. We should aim to promote gender inclusivity, but not stigmatize traditional gender mindsets, i.e. 'aggressiveness', as negative in the process. If an institution starts accepting females and then (oftentimes purposely) loses that common mindset, it simply reinforces gender stereotypes.

TheAdamAndChe 9y ago
> it simply reinforces gender stereotypes I have a serious question, and this arises from my mentality that we should be accepting of aberrations from the norm, but that doesn't mean we should hurt the majority in the process. Why are gender stereotypes bad? If we understand that men and women are different overall, and that those differences lead to a bimodal distribution with gender traits something like this[1], then wouldn't stereotypes naturally emerge? Should we be punishing behavior that large chunks of people align to? [1] https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-YMOXSZ4aTmg/Vwf79cRcjOI/AAAAAAAAORg/KdIWYI__SqUFj7zjELQqvv_PncqvzNWGA/s1600/bimodal.png https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-YMOXSZ4aTmg/Vwf79cRcjOI/AAAAAAAAO...
- kd5bjo 9y ago
  Gender stereotypes, when applied to individuals instead of large populations, severely punish anyone that falls on the "wrong" side of the median.
  - maruhan2 9y ago
    Yup I agree with this. People who are not in the norm will struggle moving forward because they'll always be judged by the cover. There's also the non-scientific stereotypes. "Girls are worse at math" for example.
- alehul 9y ago
  I agree with that mentality! In regards to gender stereotypes: children are very impressionable, and we should encourage the ideology that people of either gender can have any combination of personality traits, interests, and so on. If gender stereotypes are naturally disassembled to an extent, I think the world would be a somewhat better place. The only point of contention I have is when people begin to associate the personalities involved in gender stereotypes with the negative connotation of gender stereotypes, and thus discourage those personalities. We shouldn't try to remove all gender stereotypes with punishment, as you said; some are natural. We should just aim to remove restrictions on personalities as much as possible, and see what the effects are.

by alehul 9y ago

TheAdamAndChe 9y ago

> it simply reinforces gender stereotypes I have a serious question, and this arises from my mentality that we should be accepting of aberrations from the norm, but that doesn't mean we should hurt the majority in the process. Why are gender stereotypes bad? If we understand that men and women are different overall, and that those differences lead to a bimodal distribution with gender traits something like this[1], then wouldn't stereotypes naturally emerge? Should we be punishing behavior that large chunks of people align to? [1] https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-YMOXSZ4aTmg/Vwf79cRcjOI/AAAAAAAAORg/KdIWYI__SqUFj7zjELQqvv_PncqvzNWGA/s1600/bimodal.png https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-YMOXSZ4aTmg/Vwf79cRcjOI/AAAAAAAAO...

kd5bjo 9y ago
Gender stereotypes, when applied to individuals instead of large populations, severely punish anyone that falls on the "wrong" side of the median.
- maruhan2 9y ago
  Yup I agree with this. People who are not in the norm will struggle moving forward because they'll always be judged by the cover. There's also the non-scientific stereotypes. "Girls are worse at math" for example.
alehul 9y ago
I agree with that mentality! In regards to gender stereotypes: children are very impressionable, and we should encourage the ideology that people of either gender can have any combination of personality traits, interests, and so on. If gender stereotypes are naturally disassembled to an extent, I think the world would be a somewhat better place. The only point of contention I have is when people begin to associate the personalities involved in gender stereotypes with the negative connotation of gender stereotypes, and thus discourage those personalities. We shouldn't try to remove all gender stereotypes with punishment, as you said; some are natural. We should just aim to remove restrictions on personalities as much as possible, and see what the effects are.