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What this all boils down to is 1) trust and 2) the value proposition with regards to the trade-off between possible privacy violation and the value the device h
by turc1656 9y ago
What this all boils down to is 1) trust and 2) the value proposition with regards to the trade-off between possible privacy violation and the value the device has to them personally. For me, these devices are worthless and even if their value was >0 the number would have to be enormous because of the value I assign to my privacy.
The real issue here is the same issue we have with government agencies like the NSA and CIA. There is substantially little most people can do to verify the claim. For example, Clapper swore before congress that the NSA wasn't collecting data on millions of Americans. Snowden showed that was a complete lie. The NSA program would have continued without anyone being the wiser without the leaks because the only people that knew that didn't work for the NSA were delivered gag orders. So without some sort of civilian oversight committee that has real teeth, how would anyone actually ever find this information out?
The same is true here with things like Echo, Home Minis, etc. The data being transmitted is encrypted so even if you are technically inclined and know how to capture it on it's way out of your home network, you'll never be able to decrypt it. So how do you really know for sure that it isn't actually transmitting anything and everything you say? The only logical answer is trust. You believe them. That's enough for most people. But to say, as the article does, that ideas like this are from the tinfoil hat crew is kind of absurd. In addition to the PRISM program, we also know that Amazon's Echo is/was being used in at least one murder case and I highly doubt a few seconds before being murdered the victim used a hotword to activate the Echo device. We also know that the NSA has a program called Tailored Access Operations which they can use to intercept online tech purchases and install spyware on them if you are a target of interest.
- johnpython 9y agoLike you I would never bring a device like this into my home. The issue is they are becoming normalized and mainstream adoption is growing at an alarming rate. What happens when you can't purchase a home appliance without these "features" and it refuses to work without connecting to your wireless network and being able to phone home?
- MrMember 9y agoIt's getting more and more difficult to find a non-"smart" TV, it will be a sad day if the same thing starts happening to other appliances. I don't want to live in a home with a smart fridge, smart toaster, smart oven, smart toilet.
- dv_dt 9y agoYup, and even standalone devices like Roku have "voice search". Which ends up being yet another microphone connected to the internet...
- jbob2000 9y agoYou are not alone. Given enough time, our market for "dumb" appliances will be big enough that the manufacturers won't be able to ignore us.
- turc1656 9y agoYep. Fortunately, though, you can simply refuse to set up the internet connection on your TV. This is what I have done. No wifi password = no outgoing data.
- bhauer 9y agoProbably only a matter of time before devices start leaking data via the cell network. Amazon was able to deliver "free" cell service to Kindles, right?