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> And they (presumably) shared these videos on their 48k fan facebook page, yet the videos only managed to get "thousands" of views? Hope they didn't have that

by aluhut 9y ago

> And they (presumably) shared these videos on their 48k fan facebook page, yet the videos only managed to get "thousands" of views? Hope they didn't have that Kremlin ad spend behind them because those numbers are pitiful. Wasn't the main aim for the facbook network to host Ads? I've read somewhere that they reached millions with that. > I think it would be helpful for community moderators everywhere, including Hacker News, to understand how they were identified as Russian-backed propaganda. The most obvious would be the content. You can just turn on the still existing propaganda channels like Russia Today to compare the content.

coldtea 9y ago
>The most obvious would be the content. You can just turn on the still existing propaganda channels like Russia Today to compare the content. So, like, anything not agreeing with the mainstream US opinion on things?
- aluhut 9y ago
  > So, like, anything not agreeing with the mainstream US opinion on things? No, however such narrow view of the world as you demonstrate here would cause suspicions. Edit: Pinochet? What has he to do with the current situation today? Are you so desperate that you have to reach 40 years back? What youtube channels were involved back then?
  - coldtea 9y ago
    Or, you know, I'm from a country that the "US fair view" has caused untold damage, whereas we never had a particular beef with Russia. Maybe ask some Chileans who suffered under Pinochet about their opinions on US "facts"?
- kbart 9y ago
  "So, like, anything not agreeing with the mainstream US opinion on things?" I live in a country (Lithuania) RT constantly pours BS on, so no, I can assure you it isn't just alternative news -- it is a pure propaganda machine. The latest major story was that German NATO soldiers (stationed in Lithuania as a part to deter Russia from trying something like in Ukraine) raped a local teenage girl[0]. Of course, neither a "victim", nor a single witness was found by police and more reputable journalists. 0. http://www.dw.com/en/why-the-fake-rape-story-against-german-nato-forces-fell-flat-in-lithuania/a-37694870 http://www.dw.com/en/why-the-fake-rape-story-against-german-...
  - coldtea 9y ago
    >The latest major story was that German NATO soldiers (stationed in Lithuania as a part to deter Russia from trying something like in Ukraine) raped a local teenage girl That might been a BS report, but it's not like that never happens and is never covered up. Soldiers out of duty, especially drunk, do all kinds of similar shit (assaults, rape, drunken fights, etc) around such bases. We had a few around our here parts -- but here are some more from more reputable sources if you prefer: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1995_Okinawa_rape_incident https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1995_Okinawa_rape_incident https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mahmudiyah_rape_and_killings https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mahmudiyah_rape_and_killings http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/the-forgotten-story-of-rape-and-murder-in-kosovo-american-style-622977.html http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/the-forgotten... http://abcnews.go.com/International/story?id=82993 http://abcnews.go.com/International/story?id=82993 http://edition.cnn.com/2006/LAW/10/18/soldiers.court/ http://edition.cnn.com/2006/LAW/10/18/soldiers.court/ Many, of course, such incidents never see the light of day. I don't know whether this one is one such (and it's suppression is touted as it being false to begin with) or the other side, eager to publish some anti-NATO stuff didn't fact-check or even fabricated it. So, I'll give you that. But as "fake news" goes, this is quite on the mark of what often goes on -- not some Pizzagate level BS. Speaking of fake news, it's not like the other side would never stoop so low either: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nayirah_testimony https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nayirah_testimony (among tons of other such BS) Also "as a part to deter Russia from trying something like in Ukraine" -- so, to deter them from intervening when the elected government is coup-ed by a ragtag coalition (including bona fide neo-nazis) with support from outside (who wanted to pressure Russia)? In a country which is in their borders and has parts with majority Russian ethnicity that felt threatened? How good of this good-will organization to protect Lithuania. It's not a full threatening army machine itself, promoting any particular national interests in the region at all, nor is it used for pushing increasingly towards Russia's borders and keeping the pressure of them, decades after the cold war ended. And it's never known to invade sovereign countries which have nothing to do with it, itself, for BS or no pretexts and making hell-holes of civil war and "reconstruction" out of them. Lithuania's story with USSR and/or current relations with Russia have never been that great, to put it mildly, and Lithuania had suffered a lot under Stalinism etc. It's also good to be paranoid about a powerful neighbor. But I think it finds solace in false friends, who, if the need arose, they wouldn't think twice to sacrifice it themselves. Well, not that differently from false friends in WWII...
creaghpatr 9y ago
I want to know specifically the Williams and Kalvin Johnson affiliation with the Kremlin and how it was identified. They are obviously real people (maybe not their real names) right? How did Facebook determine that they were Russian government-backed counterinformation agents?

by aluhut 9y ago

coldtea 9y ago

>The most obvious would be the content. You can just turn on the still existing propaganda channels like Russia Today to compare the content. So, like, anything not agreeing with the mainstream US opinion on things?

aluhut 9y ago
> So, like, anything not agreeing with the mainstream US opinion on things? No, however such narrow view of the world as you demonstrate here would cause suspicions. Edit: Pinochet? What has he to do with the current situation today? Are you so desperate that you have to reach 40 years back? What youtube channels were involved back then?
- coldtea 9y ago
  Or, you know, I'm from a country that the "US fair view" has caused untold damage, whereas we never had a particular beef with Russia. Maybe ask some Chileans who suffered under Pinochet about their opinions on US "facts"?
kbart 9y ago
"So, like, anything not agreeing with the mainstream US opinion on things?" I live in a country (Lithuania) RT constantly pours BS on, so no, I can assure you it isn't just alternative news -- it is a pure propaganda machine. The latest major story was that German NATO soldiers (stationed in Lithuania as a part to deter Russia from trying something like in Ukraine) raped a local teenage girl[0]. Of course, neither a "victim", nor a single witness was found by police and more reputable journalists. 0. http://www.dw.com/en/why-the-fake-rape-story-against-german-nato-forces-fell-flat-in-lithuania/a-37694870 http://www.dw.com/en/why-the-fake-rape-story-against-german-...
- coldtea 9y ago
  >The latest major story was that German NATO soldiers (stationed in Lithuania as a part to deter Russia from trying something like in Ukraine) raped a local teenage girl That might been a BS report, but it's not like that never happens and is never covered up. Soldiers out of duty, especially drunk, do all kinds of similar shit (assaults, rape, drunken fights, etc) around such bases. We had a few around our here parts -- but here are some more from more reputable sources if you prefer: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1995_Okinawa_rape_incident https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1995_Okinawa_rape_incident https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mahmudiyah_rape_and_killings https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mahmudiyah_rape_and_killings http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/the-forgotten-story-of-rape-and-murder-in-kosovo-american-style-622977.html http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/the-forgotten... http://abcnews.go.com/International/story?id=82993 http://abcnews.go.com/International/story?id=82993 http://edition.cnn.com/2006/LAW/10/18/soldiers.court/ http://edition.cnn.com/2006/LAW/10/18/soldiers.court/ Many, of course, such incidents never see the light of day. I don't know whether this one is one such (and it's suppression is touted as it being false to begin with) or the other side, eager to publish some anti-NATO stuff didn't fact-check or even fabricated it. So, I'll give you that. But as "fake news" goes, this is quite on the mark of what often goes on -- not some Pizzagate level BS. Speaking of fake news, it's not like the other side would never stoop so low either: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nayirah_testimony https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nayirah_testimony (among tons of other such BS) Also "as a part to deter Russia from trying something like in Ukraine" -- so, to deter them from intervening when the elected government is coup-ed by a ragtag coalition (including bona fide neo-nazis) with support from outside (who wanted to pressure Russia)? In a country which is in their borders and has parts with majority Russian ethnicity that felt threatened? How good of this good-will organization to protect Lithuania. It's not a full threatening army machine itself, promoting any particular national interests in the region at all, nor is it used for pushing increasingly towards Russia's borders and keeping the pressure of them, decades after the cold war ended. And it's never known to invade sovereign countries which have nothing to do with it, itself, for BS or no pretexts and making hell-holes of civil war and "reconstruction" out of them. Lithuania's story with USSR and/or current relations with Russia have never been that great, to put it mildly, and Lithuania had suffered a lot under Stalinism etc. It's also good to be paranoid about a powerful neighbor. But I think it finds solace in false friends, who, if the need arose, they wouldn't think twice to sacrifice it themselves. Well, not that differently from false friends in WWII...

creaghpatr 9y ago

I want to know specifically the Williams and Kalvin Johnson affiliation with the Kremlin and how it was identified. They are obviously real people (maybe not their real names) right? How did Facebook determine that they were Russian government-backed counterinformation agents?