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This is a gross false equivalence.

by brucephillips 9y ago

guelo 9y ago
Yes. I find it annoying in these threads how people refuse to acknowledge that we have much stronger rule of law in the west. Even though it's flawed and abused, every rational actor prefers our system.
- Bendingo 9y ago
  > we have much stronger rule of law in the west Domestically perhaps, but not when it comes to international law (eg. sanctioning torture, extrajudicial killings, drone strikes, illegal invasion etc.)
  - JumpCrisscross 9y ago
    > Domestically perhaps, but not when it comes to international law One of these is a thing with courts, enforcement mechanisms, et cetera. The other is really only relevant for preventing war between global powers, i.e. the Security Council.
- memeCrasher 9y ago
  >I find it annoying in these threads how people refuse to acknowledge that we have much stronger rule of law in the west. No we don't. We have a stronger belief in the rule of law, but not an actual practice of rule of law. It's been getting worse and worse over the past two decades and at this point I see little difference between any particular western government and Russia's. If you haven't noticed it, you've been willfully ignorant.
  - JumpCrisscross 9y ago
    > at this point I see little difference between any particular western government and Russia's There is quality research in measuring, quantitatively and qualitatively, the rule of law [1]. While disagreement abounds around methods and data, it's pretty universally observed that the rule of law in Russia is worse than that in the West. https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Joseph_Bajjalieh/publication/259712322_Conceptualizing_and_Measuring_Rule_of_Law_Constructs_1850-2010/links/5629379f08aef25a243d5b4c.pdf https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Joseph_Bajjalieh/public...
  - codedokode 9y ago
    The parent comment is probably right. In Russia even election results are forged by Putin supporters.

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This is a gross false equivalence.

by brucephillips 9y ago

This is a gross false equivalence.

guelo 9y ago
Yes. I find it annoying in these threads how people refuse to acknowledge that we have much stronger rule of law in the west. Even though it's flawed and abused, every rational actor prefers our system.
- Bendingo 9y ago
  > we have much stronger rule of law in the west Domestically perhaps, but not when it comes to international law (eg. sanctioning torture, extrajudicial killings, drone strikes, illegal invasion etc.)
  - JumpCrisscross 9y ago
    > Domestically perhaps, but not when it comes to international law One of these is a thing with courts, enforcement mechanisms, et cetera. The other is really only relevant for preventing war between global powers, i.e. the Security Council.
- memeCrasher 9y ago
  >I find it annoying in these threads how people refuse to acknowledge that we have much stronger rule of law in the west. No we don't. We have a stronger belief in the rule of law, but not an actual practice of rule of law. It's been getting worse and worse over the past two decades and at this point I see little difference between any particular western government and Russia's. If you haven't noticed it, you've been willfully ignorant.
  - JumpCrisscross 9y ago
    > at this point I see little difference between any particular western government and Russia's There is quality research in measuring, quantitatively and qualitatively, the rule of law [1]. While disagreement abounds around methods and data, it's pretty universally observed that the rule of law in Russia is worse than that in the West. https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Joseph_Bajjalieh/publication/259712322_Conceptualizing_and_Measuring_Rule_of_Law_Constructs_1850-2010/links/5629379f08aef25a243d5b4c.pdf https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Joseph_Bajjalieh/public...
  - codedokode 9y ago
    The parent comment is probably right. In Russia even election results are forged by Putin supporters.