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Do you mean the company or the man?

by DigitalJack 9y ago

tptacek 9y ago
The company. The man will be fine.
- katastic 9y ago
  Tell that to McAfee
  - astura 9y ago
    What about McAfee? He divested from the software/company shortly after it was created. He has a colorful personal life, but I doubt that has much of anything to do with the software that he hasn't been involved with for a around 2 decades. (Other than the software made him rich/a minor celebrity.)
    - thephyber 9y ago
      > He has a colorful personal life I think the gp was referring to what accusations people have made of McAfee since he sold the company. Showtime aired up a documentary[1] about him. I think "colorful personal life" can only be interpreted as a euphemism since he was accused of murder, rape, running a local armed gang, fleeing the country from the police, etc. I have no reason to believe Kaspersky will have similar issues as I suspect McAfee was eccentric from the start. [1] http://www.sho.com/titles/3437264/gringo-the-dangerous-life-of-john-mcafee http://www.sho.com/titles/3437264/gringo-the-dangerous-life-...
      - koolba 9y ago
        He also ran for POTUS as a Libertarian.
        jmkni 9y ago
        He was born in Scotland so that was never going to work, lol
        kevinmchugh 9y ago
        Born on an Army base to an American father. John McCain was born under similar circumstances, Ted Cruz and George Romney were both born abroad and neither was seriously considered disqualified. The only difference between McCain and McAfee afaict is both McCain's parents were US citizens at the time of his birth. That may be relevant, that part of the law can change, but simply being born oversees doesn't stop a person from being a "natural-born citizen".
        jmkni 9y ago
        Didn’t know that, cool! I’m not American so not that clued up on the specifics.
        astura 9y ago
        Its a common misunderstanding among Americans "you have to be born in the US to become president." I'm not sure where that came from but it's not exactly true. The Constitution says you have to be a "natural born citizen" to become president. "Natural born citizen," however, is not defined. IMO, I think the reason it wasn't defined is because the meaning is obvious, there's two ways to be a citizen, - by birth ("natural") or by naturalization. Tons of discussion on the topic here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natural-born-citizen_clause https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natural-born-citizen_clause As mentioned above, Ted Cruz was a serious contender for POTUS yet was born in Canada as well as George Romney, who was born in Mexico. Those two about as close as we got to "settling" the issue. John McCain was born in the Panama Canal Zone which, at the time, was an unincorporated territory of the United States. Does that "count" as being "the United States" if you're going to interpret "natural born citizen" that way? People may disagree. They also may disagree if military bases "count" the same way as the Panama Canal Zone. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panama_Canal_Zone#Citizenship https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panama_Canal_Zone#Citizenship US Senate passed a non-binding resolution that McCain was a "natural born Citizen" of the United States. There have been several Presidents who have one non-citizen parent, the most recent being Barrack Obama.
      - astura 9y ago
        No euphemisms here. Perhaps you are unfamiliar with this definition of colorful? >Involving variously disreputable activities.
  - aptwebapps 9y ago
    Hah. If anyone can figure out what category of people McAfee is a bellwether for, I'd like to hear it.
- paulie_a 9y ago
  In the case of McAfee, the man and company both have terrible reputations. And quite frankly deserve them
- cheeze 9y ago
  Why would they be done for? If they are basically funded by the FSB then they can't really die, no? Or is it more that it's over to them wrt running in the USA in general
  - lawnchair_larry 9y ago
    They are not funded by the FSB. Not even Washington thinks that. They're a very successful multinational antivirus company, and they make one of the least bad products in that space.
    - varjag 9y ago
      Russian institutional and government contracts are their major revenue stream. There is about 0% chance for any Western company winning any of those, regardless their technical merits.
auserperson 9y ago
THE MAN https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gkNeQdLg6Nc https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gkNeQdLg6Nc

Do you mean the company or the man?

tptacek 9y ago

The company. The man will be fine.

katastic 9y ago
Tell that to McAfee
- astura 9y ago
  What about McAfee? He divested from the software/company shortly after it was created. He has a colorful personal life, but I doubt that has much of anything to do with the software that he hasn't been involved with for a around 2 decades. (Other than the software made him rich/a minor celebrity.)
  - thephyber 9y ago
    > He has a colorful personal life I think the gp was referring to what accusations people have made of McAfee since he sold the company. Showtime aired up a documentary[1] about him. I think "colorful personal life" can only be interpreted as a euphemism since he was accused of murder, rape, running a local armed gang, fleeing the country from the police, etc. I have no reason to believe Kaspersky will have similar issues as I suspect McAfee was eccentric from the start. [1] http://www.sho.com/titles/3437264/gringo-the-dangerous-life-of-john-mcafee http://www.sho.com/titles/3437264/gringo-the-dangerous-life-...
    - koolba 9y ago
      He also ran for POTUS as a Libertarian.
      - jmkni 9y ago
        He was born in Scotland so that was never going to work, lol
        kevinmchugh 9y ago
        Born on an Army base to an American father. John McCain was born under similar circumstances, Ted Cruz and George Romney were both born abroad and neither was seriously considered disqualified. The only difference between McCain and McAfee afaict is both McCain's parents were US citizens at the time of his birth. That may be relevant, that part of the law can change, but simply being born oversees doesn't stop a person from being a "natural-born citizen".
        jmkni 9y ago
        Didn’t know that, cool! I’m not American so not that clued up on the specifics.
        astura 9y ago
        Its a common misunderstanding among Americans "you have to be born in the US to become president." I'm not sure where that came from but it's not exactly true. The Constitution says you have to be a "natural born citizen" to become president. "Natural born citizen," however, is not defined. IMO, I think the reason it wasn't defined is because the meaning is obvious, there's two ways to be a citizen, - by birth ("natural") or by naturalization. Tons of discussion on the topic here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natural-born-citizen_clause https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natural-born-citizen_clause As mentioned above, Ted Cruz was a serious contender for POTUS yet was born in Canada as well as George Romney, who was born in Mexico. Those two about as close as we got to "settling" the issue. John McCain was born in the Panama Canal Zone which, at the time, was an unincorporated territory of the United States. Does that "count" as being "the United States" if you're going to interpret "natural born citizen" that way? People may disagree. They also may disagree if military bases "count" the same way as the Panama Canal Zone. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panama_Canal_Zone#Citizenship https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panama_Canal_Zone#Citizenship US Senate passed a non-binding resolution that McCain was a "natural born Citizen" of the United States. There have been several Presidents who have one non-citizen parent, the most recent being Barrack Obama.
    - astura 9y ago
      No euphemisms here. Perhaps you are unfamiliar with this definition of colorful? >Involving variously disreputable activities.
- aptwebapps 9y ago
  Hah. If anyone can figure out what category of people McAfee is a bellwether for, I'd like to hear it.
paulie_a 9y ago
In the case of McAfee, the man and company both have terrible reputations. And quite frankly deserve them
cheeze 9y ago
Why would they be done for? If they are basically funded by the FSB then they can't really die, no? Or is it more that it's over to them wrt running in the USA in general
- lawnchair_larry 9y ago
  They are not funded by the FSB. Not even Washington thinks that. They're a very successful multinational antivirus company, and they make one of the least bad products in that space.
  - varjag 9y ago
    Russian institutional and government contracts are their major revenue stream. There is about 0% chance for any Western company winning any of those, regardless their technical merits.

auserperson 9y ago

THE MAN https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gkNeQdLg6Nc https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gkNeQdLg6Nc