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>It's better than sitting on the couch and reading about the things you dont like in the world. Or killing people you don't like. Or injuring others. Or lootin

>It's better than sitting on the couch and reading about the things you dont like in the world. Or killing people you don't like. Or injuring others. Or looting. Or destroying property. Basically anything that isn't those 4 things can be a viable form of protest, if executed correctly.

sillysaurus3 9y ago
So it's a pressure valve? It's strange because if it's really just a pressure valve, that means all the authorities need to do is sit back and do nothing. The protest will burn itself out. But that's just another way of saying the goal of protesting isn't to accomplish anything except to feel better. I'm just trying to understand the goals and motivations. Protesting has a long history in the US but it's rarely taught anywhere, so these answers aren't inherently obvious.
- pjc50 9y ago
  > Protesting has a long history in the US And elsewhere! Most recent large example of somewhat successful protests was the whole "Arab spring" series of events. Or the Euromaidan protests in Ukraine. > but it's rarely taught anywhere Of course it's not going to be taught in school ...
- sdenton4 9y ago
  It's more than just a pressure valve. Protest brings people together. When it's a small protest, it's like a convention for the chronic opposition. But when a protest starts bringing in more attention, it brings people who show up in contact with new ideas, and creates a fertile ground for new collaborations. This happens in big ways (the idea of the 99% and the public understanding of accelerating wealth gaps owe a lot to Occupy, and the Bernie campaign is pretty much a direct consequence) and in smaller ways (Occupy led to many people switching from standard banks to credit unions, and also led to some excellent work opposing predatory student loans). When you sit back and let the protest burn, you risk allowing the discontent to generalize and grow. But, sure, maybe it will just fizzle out, if there is still enough bread and circus to go around.
  - hueving 9y ago
    >the idea of the 99% and the public understanding of accelerating wealth gaps owe a lot to Occupy, and the Bernie campaign is pretty much a direct consequence You are going to need a citation for this.
  - ionised 9y ago
    Occupy was a result of that knowledge, not the cause of it
castis 9y ago
Why are those 4 things unacceptable? Historically, governments respond promptly to those things.
- tambienben 9y ago
  You lose the moral high ground once you practice any one of those--at which point you're actively undermining your own message in the public eye. Hell, your opposition will probably be accusing you of those things (or planting people who carry them out), anyway. Best not to cross that line.
- PhasmaFelis 9y ago
  Typically they respond by doubling down on whatever you're trying to get them to stop doing.
- pc86 9y ago
  Are murder, assault, theft, and vandalism acceptable to you?
  - notzorbo3 9y ago
    If you do those things to a force invading your country, sure. For protests, no.
    - pc86 9y ago
      Well we're talking about protests.
Oxitendwe 9y ago
It makes no sense to talk about means without ends.
Natsu 9y ago
Regarding this protest, though, it was evidence of violence being plotted that led to some arrests and then this investigation and the search warrants. There were undercover videos showing #disruptj20 organizers plotting to chain trains & release butyric acid into the ventilation of the Inaugural Ball, among other things. These search warrants are part of that investigation.

sillysaurus3 9y ago

So it's a pressure valve? It's strange because if it's really just a pressure valve, that means all the authorities need to do is sit back and do nothing. The protest will burn itself out. But that's just another way of saying the goal of protesting isn't to accomplish anything except to feel better. I'm just trying to understand the goals and motivations. Protesting has a long history in the US but it's rarely taught anywhere, so these answers aren't inherently obvious.

pjc50 9y ago
> Protesting has a long history in the US And elsewhere! Most recent large example of somewhat successful protests was the whole "Arab spring" series of events. Or the Euromaidan protests in Ukraine. > but it's rarely taught anywhere Of course it's not going to be taught in school ...
sdenton4 9y ago
It's more than just a pressure valve. Protest brings people together. When it's a small protest, it's like a convention for the chronic opposition. But when a protest starts bringing in more attention, it brings people who show up in contact with new ideas, and creates a fertile ground for new collaborations. This happens in big ways (the idea of the 99% and the public understanding of accelerating wealth gaps owe a lot to Occupy, and the Bernie campaign is pretty much a direct consequence) and in smaller ways (Occupy led to many people switching from standard banks to credit unions, and also led to some excellent work opposing predatory student loans). When you sit back and let the protest burn, you risk allowing the discontent to generalize and grow. But, sure, maybe it will just fizzle out, if there is still enough bread and circus to go around.
- hueving 9y ago
  >the idea of the 99% and the public understanding of accelerating wealth gaps owe a lot to Occupy, and the Bernie campaign is pretty much a direct consequence You are going to need a citation for this.
- ionised 9y ago
  Occupy was a result of that knowledge, not the cause of it

castis 9y ago

Why are those 4 things unacceptable? Historically, governments respond promptly to those things.

tambienben 9y ago
You lose the moral high ground once you practice any one of those--at which point you're actively undermining your own message in the public eye. Hell, your opposition will probably be accusing you of those things (or planting people who carry them out), anyway. Best not to cross that line.
PhasmaFelis 9y ago
Typically they respond by doubling down on whatever you're trying to get them to stop doing.
pc86 9y ago
Are murder, assault, theft, and vandalism acceptable to you?
- notzorbo3 9y ago
  If you do those things to a force invading your country, sure. For protests, no.
  - pc86 9y ago
    Well we're talking about protests.

Oxitendwe 9y ago

It makes no sense to talk about means without ends.

Natsu 9y ago

Regarding this protest, though, it was evidence of violence being plotted that led to some arrests and then this investigation and the search warrants. There were undercover videos showing #disruptj20 organizers plotting to chain trains & release butyric acid into the ventilation of the Inaugural Ball, among other things. These search warrants are part of that investigation.