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Does someone know the difference between what archive.org will take and what Gutenberg will take? It seems like they should just coalesce into one data set, rig

Does someone know the difference between what archive.org will take and what Gutenberg will take? It seems like they should just coalesce into one data set, right? I imagine archive.org can easily fit the Gutenberg data set; you can reasonably get it yourself via Kiwix.

toomuchtodo 9y ago
Archive.org can take and provide works that are still under copyright due to library provisions in the DMCA. Project Gutenberg only provides public domain works, but on a per country basis: https://www.gutenberg.org/wiki/Gutenberg:Copyright_FAQ#Copyright https://www.gutenberg.org/wiki/Gutenberg:Copyright_FAQ#Copyr... (some works are in the public domain in Australia, but not yet in the US, for example)
- ghaff 9y ago
  There are basically no library exceptions for digital content. It’s more ask forgiveness rather than permission.
- orblivion 9y ago
  > library provisions in the DMCA There's stuff about archive.org I still don't quite understand. So they use legal hacks to host all the stuff they do? They're legally a library or something?
  - toomuchtodo 9y ago
    The Internet Archive is fully compliant with the DMCA's safe harbor provisions; in the event an item is reported by a copyright owner, it will no longer be served to the public (but it will remain in storage until a later date).
    - vog 9y ago
      Wow. This is a really, really clever hack around this flawed copyright system!
      - db48x 9y ago
        That's not actually a hack; copyright only concerns distribution of a work, not ownership or storage of it.
komali2 9y ago
Isn't gutenberg more "crowd-sourced?" I remember participating in some sort of editing program there a while back.
- Turing_Machine 9y ago
  Right. The Gutenberg books have typically been proofread by human beings, while the straight IA books are usually raw scans that have been OCRed. Edit: it should be pointed out that there's a lot of overlap here. As far as I know, all Gutenberg books get uploaded to IA. Conversely, IA scans are often used as the starting point for Gutenberg projects. But, in general, the advantage of Gutenberg releases is better proofreading, while the advantage of IA is much wider coverage.

toomuchtodo 9y ago

Archive.org can take and provide works that are still under copyright due to library provisions in the DMCA. Project Gutenberg only provides public domain works, but on a per country basis: https://www.gutenberg.org/wiki/Gutenberg:Copyright_FAQ#Copyright https://www.gutenberg.org/wiki/Gutenberg:Copyright_FAQ#Copyr... (some works are in the public domain in Australia, but not yet in the US, for example)

ghaff 9y ago
There are basically no library exceptions for digital content. It’s more ask forgiveness rather than permission.
orblivion 9y ago
> library provisions in the DMCA There's stuff about archive.org I still don't quite understand. So they use legal hacks to host all the stuff they do? They're legally a library or something?
- toomuchtodo 9y ago
  The Internet Archive is fully compliant with the DMCA's safe harbor provisions; in the event an item is reported by a copyright owner, it will no longer be served to the public (but it will remain in storage until a later date).
  - vog 9y ago
    Wow. This is a really, really clever hack around this flawed copyright system!
    - db48x 9y ago
      That's not actually a hack; copyright only concerns distribution of a work, not ownership or storage of it.

komali2 9y ago

Isn't gutenberg more "crowd-sourced?" I remember participating in some sort of editing program there a while back.

Turing_Machine 9y ago
Right. The Gutenberg books have typically been proofread by human beings, while the straight IA books are usually raw scans that have been OCRed. Edit: it should be pointed out that there's a lot of overlap here. As far as I know, all Gutenberg books get uploaded to IA. Conversely, IA scans are often used as the starting point for Gutenberg projects. But, in general, the advantage of Gutenberg releases is better proofreading, while the advantage of IA is much wider coverage.