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Agreed! The same goes for my solar panels: Yes, I use a renewable source of energy. But how many resources were required to built these panels and once they bre

Agreed! The same goes for my solar panels: Yes, I use a renewable source of energy. But how many resources were required to built these panels and once they break, where do they go? I'm not quite sure the ecological footprint of my life style is smaller than of someone who lives in an apartment in Berlin. However since I live in the van, I pay way more attention to where I and others waste resources. Maybe a first step to make a change?

wellboy 9y ago
Solar panels make their ecological footprint after 3 years of use and last for 30 years. 80% of the material in solar panels is recycled from old solar panels. So no matter how you turn it, solar panels are a lot alot more environmentally friendly than convential energy sources.
- FooHentai 9y ago
  >80% of the material in solar panels is recycled from old solar panels. That doesn't pass the sniff test. Solar cell production is on a strong upwards curve, if 80% is recycled from other panels then supply would be bounded by old solar stock recovery, which is not the case. I can't see how 80% of solar panel material, even if we're talking exclusively about the PV cells and not the surrounds, could be from old solar panels, especially not 30 year old solar panels.
  - wellboy 9y ago
    In fact it is 90% http://earth911.com/eco-tech/recycle-solar-panels/ http://earth911.com/eco-tech/recycle-solar-panels/ and there are nee processes that reach 96%.
    - FooHentai 9y ago
      That's 90% of the material being recovered from old solar panels, not 90% of new panels being made up of recycled material. That's still great news, but nothing like: >80% of the material in solar panels is recycled from old solar panels. Which implies new panels rolling off the production line consisted of 80% recycled material from old panels. That's not possible. If you have 10 old panels coming in to be recycled, and you recover 90% of the materials from them, and you're producing 100 new panels (since production is increasing), at best you're gonna get 9% recycled material into your new panels.
JKCalhoun 9y ago
> But how many resources were required to built these panels You manufacture things like that near (nearly) free energy sources like rivers.

wellboy 9y ago

Solar panels make their ecological footprint after 3 years of use and last for 30 years. 80% of the material in solar panels is recycled from old solar panels. So no matter how you turn it, solar panels are a lot alot more environmentally friendly than convential energy sources.

FooHentai 9y ago
>80% of the material in solar panels is recycled from old solar panels. That doesn't pass the sniff test. Solar cell production is on a strong upwards curve, if 80% is recycled from other panels then supply would be bounded by old solar stock recovery, which is not the case. I can't see how 80% of solar panel material, even if we're talking exclusively about the PV cells and not the surrounds, could be from old solar panels, especially not 30 year old solar panels.
- wellboy 9y ago
  In fact it is 90% http://earth911.com/eco-tech/recycle-solar-panels/ http://earth911.com/eco-tech/recycle-solar-panels/ and there are nee processes that reach 96%.
  - FooHentai 9y ago
    That's 90% of the material being recovered from old solar panels, not 90% of new panels being made up of recycled material. That's still great news, but nothing like: >80% of the material in solar panels is recycled from old solar panels. Which implies new panels rolling off the production line consisted of 80% recycled material from old panels. That's not possible. If you have 10 old panels coming in to be recycled, and you recover 90% of the materials from them, and you're producing 100 new panels (since production is increasing), at best you're gonna get 9% recycled material into your new panels.

JKCalhoun 9y ago

> But how many resources were required to built these panels You manufacture things like that near (nearly) free energy sources like rivers.