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> Please let me know if there is anything we can do better You can not opportunistically spam nearly every thread where GitLab might be tangentially related.

> Please let me know if there is anything we can do better You can not opportunistically spam nearly every thread where GitLab might be tangentially related. I don't use GitLab largely because of the way you post on HN, though the software seems reasonably well-written. It's very frustrating.

orf 9y ago
You refuse to use an awesome product because the CEO of a startup is actively engaging with a community that may (or may not) use it, accepting feedback and discussing the product with people? Ok....
- n42 9y ago
  This isn't engagement, it is quite clearly advertising.
  - orf 9y ago
    Sure, he's advertising how Gitlab, a related product in the same space, handles this and the steps they took to prevent this problem from happening. It's informative, not "gitlab doesn't suffer from this, here's a 10% off coupon https://gitlab.com!!" https://gitlab.com!!".
    - n42 9y ago
      You're right, his post does contribute to a discussion on how to avoid this situation (which is what I'd like the thread to be about). I think it is based on a history of seeing GitLab's marketing team or CEO in any comment section tangentially related to their product that has put a bad taste in my mouth. I usually know before clicking into a comment thread whether or not they will be pushing their platform inside.
      - jlgaddis 9y ago
        In general, I would tend to agree with you. In this case, though, the original article was about CircleCI specifically but mentioned this being an issue across the entire industry. GitLab is a part of that industry and they have lots of users on HN so, in this case, the comment is relevant (IMO). More generally, however, you're right although I have just come to accept that this is how things are on HN. Choose pretty much any "Show HN" thread or any thread about some cool new app/product/service and in the thread you'll find a few "shameless plug" comments that would be considered spam in any other forum: "Hey, we also make an app that does $foo, sign up for our beta at example.com and check us out!". (One of the worst "offenders" is Userify. Pick any thread that relates tangentially to user authentication and chances are good you'll find a comment from them that manages to work their name/URL into the conversation somehow.)
  - dsnuh 9y ago
    OP clarified it as a general topic of discussion in the industry, and not specifically about CircleCI. Other companies in the space respond with what they are doing. I saw it as a completely on-topic post, and assumed the best of his intentions. Both gitlab and github have shared incredibly valuable information on their architectures, and there are many many people that can benefit from an open discussion about this, including CircleCI.
- fro0116 9y ago
  I wouldn't go as far as OP, and I'm not saying the post doesn't add anything useful to the discussion, but in this particular instance it does feel distasteful and opportunistic. I'm sure this discussion around what other CI providers do would have happened with or without this comment. I'd like to have seen some restraint exercised in this case.
0xJRS 9y ago
Meh, its better that they're reaching out and trying, than being a company that thinks they're better than everyone and knows best for us.
- eropple 9y ago
  I understand that viewpoint, but I feel that, by not respecting the norms of the site, it's detracting from the community that 'sytse wants to get to use his product. The world isn't about GitLab.
dabernathy89 9y ago
considering Gitlab has integrated CI, I'd say this is more than "tangentially" related. Developers are going to wonder if their CI tool is protected from this kind of issue.
- dschep 9y ago
  Yup. Especially given OPs comments: > To be clear, letting third party JS run in a trusted environment like a dashboard is an industry wide problem. If we assume CircleCI is the only bad actor we're kind of missing the point of the exercise.
marindez 9y ago
Reminds me of those who never forget to mention Mastodon in every thread about Twitter. They make me believe the Mastodon community is full of know-it-alls who pity us the peasants who are too stupid to leave Twitter.
dkersten 9y ago
On the other hand, I found the comment quite useful and not spammy at all.

orf 9y ago

You refuse to use an awesome product because the CEO of a startup is actively engaging with a community that may (or may not) use it, accepting feedback and discussing the product with people? Ok....

n42 9y ago
This isn't engagement, it is quite clearly advertising.
- orf 9y ago
  Sure, he's advertising how Gitlab, a related product in the same space, handles this and the steps they took to prevent this problem from happening. It's informative, not "gitlab doesn't suffer from this, here's a 10% off coupon https://gitlab.com!!" https://gitlab.com!!".
  - n42 9y ago
    You're right, his post does contribute to a discussion on how to avoid this situation (which is what I'd like the thread to be about). I think it is based on a history of seeing GitLab's marketing team or CEO in any comment section tangentially related to their product that has put a bad taste in my mouth. I usually know before clicking into a comment thread whether or not they will be pushing their platform inside.
    - jlgaddis 9y ago
      In general, I would tend to agree with you. In this case, though, the original article was about CircleCI specifically but mentioned this being an issue across the entire industry. GitLab is a part of that industry and they have lots of users on HN so, in this case, the comment is relevant (IMO). More generally, however, you're right although I have just come to accept that this is how things are on HN. Choose pretty much any "Show HN" thread or any thread about some cool new app/product/service and in the thread you'll find a few "shameless plug" comments that would be considered spam in any other forum: "Hey, we also make an app that does $foo, sign up for our beta at example.com and check us out!". (One of the worst "offenders" is Userify. Pick any thread that relates tangentially to user authentication and chances are good you'll find a comment from them that manages to work their name/URL into the conversation somehow.)
- dsnuh 9y ago
  OP clarified it as a general topic of discussion in the industry, and not specifically about CircleCI. Other companies in the space respond with what they are doing. I saw it as a completely on-topic post, and assumed the best of his intentions. Both gitlab and github have shared incredibly valuable information on their architectures, and there are many many people that can benefit from an open discussion about this, including CircleCI.
fro0116 9y ago
I wouldn't go as far as OP, and I'm not saying the post doesn't add anything useful to the discussion, but in this particular instance it does feel distasteful and opportunistic. I'm sure this discussion around what other CI providers do would have happened with or without this comment. I'd like to have seen some restraint exercised in this case.

0xJRS 9y ago

Meh, its better that they're reaching out and trying, than being a company that thinks they're better than everyone and knows best for us.

eropple 9y ago
I understand that viewpoint, but I feel that, by not respecting the norms of the site, it's detracting from the community that 'sytse wants to get to use his product. The world isn't about GitLab.

dabernathy89 9y ago

considering Gitlab has integrated CI, I'd say this is more than "tangentially" related. Developers are going to wonder if their CI tool is protected from this kind of issue.

dschep 9y ago
Yup. Especially given OPs comments: > To be clear, letting third party JS run in a trusted environment like a dashboard is an industry wide problem. If we assume CircleCI is the only bad actor we're kind of missing the point of the exercise.

marindez 9y ago

Reminds me of those who never forget to mention Mastodon in every thread about Twitter. They make me believe the Mastodon community is full of know-it-alls who pity us the peasants who are too stupid to leave Twitter.

dkersten 9y ago

On the other hand, I found the comment quite useful and not spammy at all.